Template talk:Deprecated feature

Object type

I would like have the object type on which tags are deprecated. It's the case for highway=ford on nodes only. My goal is to have this information parsable and usable on Osmose QA, currently reporting all highway=ford as deprecated regardless of object type. Frodrigo (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit of the template

Hi, the recent edit is titled "Urge the automated editors to read the AE CoC guidelines, but don't make them absolute rules".

But to me it now sounds more like that the automated edits are recommended. I liked the older version more. What is your opinion?

Chrabros (talk) 06:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

It is done to remove information duplication between this short template and the real AE code. Whether AE are recommended or not and fine details should be defined in the code, not in this short template. Maybe we can make it "more directive" in order to make users read the AE CoC, what do you say ? --Gileri (talk) 10:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

What do you propose exactly?

Just to clarify. This text "Please read the Automated Edits code of conduct before making automated edits." seems to me that you invite user to make automated edits (and just read AE CoC before). The previous version clearly warned that automated edits are not recommended. Chrabros (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

We had problems with automated edits of deprecated tags in the past. The Code is not optional and this should be clearly stated. Also there should be no invitation to change deprecated tags automatically. Since no better text came up here until now I put the old text in without the revert warning. I also used (semi-)automatically instead the longer old one.--Jojo4u (talk) 10:51, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Coloured frames

 This feature has been labeled as deprecated.  The recommended replacement is: (replacement tag).

The reason is documented in Deprecated features. You are still free to continue to use or interpret this tag as you see fit since OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features”.
Under no circumstances should you (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to something else in the database on a large scale without conforming to the Automated Edits code of conduct. Any such change will be reverted.

What do you think about discreet frames in lightred and lightgreen around the 2 statements? I think they do not make it prettier but are helpful emphasis! Without, the box style is a bit rudimentary compared to its significance, IMHO. --Chris2map (talk) 20:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that is a bit to much. There is emphasis in the text using a green background, spacing, italic letters, and bold letters. Now you want to have an additional border as a fifth type of text emphasis. I would suggest to reduce the amount of emphasis on other sections instead. How about putting the first line in bold letters and removing all other font styles in the message box? --Tigerfell  (Let's talk) 19:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you're right! I do understand your view. Though anyway a part of me misses an significant icon / symbol / pictogram illustrating deprecated tag. But your proposal is much better than existing template and my try above, look at the test:

This feature has been labeled as deprecated.
The reason is documented in Deprecated features. The recommended replacement is: (replacement tag).
You are still free to continue to use or interpret this tag as you see fit since OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features”.
Under no circumstances should you (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to something else in the database on a large scale without conforming to the Automated Edits code of conduct. Any such change will be reverted.

--Chris2map (talk) 17:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay. We can definitely change the logo if there is something that fits better. I found but maybe some other file fits better... --Tigerfell  (Let's talk) 23:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I would prefer a specially developed icon for deprecated tags, which would then be used wherever deprecated appears. But I don't have any real ideas at the moment. I also looked at Noun. I could imagine the following, in descending order of rating. It is important to me that the icon is not only 16 px in size, but in such a case with a certain icon significantly larger, depending on the icon, like the examples: --Chris2map (talk) 08:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

For now a good interim replacement could also be . We may change the red one at Template:Deprecated into the orange one, too.

This feature has been labeled as deprecated. The reason is documented in Deprecated features. The recommended replacement is: (replacement tag). You are still free to continue to use or interpret this tag as you see fit since OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features”. Under no circumstances should you (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to something else in the database on a large scale without conforming to the Automated Edits code of conduct.

--Chris2map (talk) 11:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

The icon does not necessarily need to come from The Noun Project. I was just looking for black and white vector icons. The icons should be hosted at Wikimedia Commons and should not be to identical to the OOUI icons created for Wikimedia Foundation. I think the first one looks quite plausible . Sizing is a bit tricky. I identified the small sized icons as a core element in the website's design but they do not have such long messages as in the wiki. You can see that I gave up on that for Template:Wflicence where I intended to use the existing icons to identify the licences. We could use a small icon for the message box and a bigger version for the infobox in Template:Deprecated. --Tigerfell  (Let's talk) 22:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Red or green

Hi there @Fred73000: and @Tigerfell: Formerly I also was familiar with the red warning but meanwhile I think it's a good idea to reduce the warnings. In fact the message with "deprecated" is not a warning, IMHO. (You could use every tag if it makes sense to you.) A warning could be message related to a technical system error, a type error of a template parameter or a copyright violation. - Perphaps we could tweak this message box like

This feature has been labeled as:  deprecated  The reason is documented in Deprecated features. The recommended replacement is: (replacement tag). You are still free to continue to use or interpret this tag as you see fit since OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features”. Under no circumstances should you (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to something else in the database on a large scale without conforming to the Automated Edits code of conduct.

--Chris2map (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

When we use the deprecated template, on the right side of the screen, we have an image of a hand with a red color around (example here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dmarsh) + under this image, "Used on these elements" section = no use at all + under, "Status" section = deprecated in red. We should give the same message to users. Because currently, on the same page, saying on the left " green = yes, you can " and on the right " hand+red+no use = no, you can't ", I'm not sure that many people understand this contradiction. For me the message is clearly "no you can't, please stop using it because we have a better tag that this, see the reason in the document if you are interested". And "stop" means red color.

Another reason could be to be consistent with this page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:wetland%3Dmarsh, "Possible tagging mistakes" section, where you can see the deprecated tag "natural=marsh" in red. Probably because to use a deprecated tag is always a tagging mistake, or should be, because there is a replacement tag. Best regards. Fred73000 (talk) 19:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)