User:Eteb3/ideas

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These are some ideas I have about how to improve the map and all its related apparatus.

They're all pre-proposal and I usually tinker with the wording a lot over time, since I treat this as a doodle pad before posting the final draft elsewhere.

Thoughts in response are very welcome at any stage of gestation!


Tag:barrier=boom DRAFT

NOTE this is a draft hosted on Eteb3's userpage. Please consult Eteb3/eteb3 before editing.

Public-images-osm logo.svg barrier = boom
The boom for Knottingley weir. - geograph.org.uk - 579176.jpg
Description
A chain or cable across a body of water, preventing passage to watercraft or debris. Usually supported by a line of floats or buoys.
Group: Barriers
Used on these elements
should not be used on nodesmay be used on waysshould not be used on areasshould not be used on relations
Useful combination
  • [[Key:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]=*
  • [[Key:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]=*
  • [[Key:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]=*
See also
Status: de factoPage for proposal

Wikidata

More usually the tag is used on a way to indicate a flexible barrier on water (24 uses at 2020-09-27).

More rarely used on a node to indicate a lift-gate across a highway or path.

On water

A boom is a chain or cable across a body of water, which prevents watercraft, debris or other unwanted objects from passing. It is usually on the surface of the water, supported by floats or buoys.

Booms have several common uses:

Use Picture Description Map link
To prevent boats passing down a channel. The boom for Knottingley weir. - geograph.org.uk - 579176.jpg Passage blocked to watercraft at the approach to Knottingly weir, West Yorkshire, UK. maplink
To interdict an area of open water or to restrict it for certain users. Beach Rotana Abu Dhabi - beach (cropped).jpg Roped swimming area at the Beach Rotana Hotel in Abu Dhabi, UAE. maplink
To stop trash and debris. Geograph-1797260-by-Albert-Bridge.jpg Debris catcher upstream of Queen Elizabeth Bridge, Belfast, Northern Ireland. maplink
To stop invasive species such as water hyacinth. Geograph-2220006-by-Eric-Jones.jpg Weed control boom by the aquatic boom company Elastec (of Carmi, IL, USA). Location unknown. n/a

Temporary booms are used to prevent the spread of oil spills: they are less likely to be relevant to mappers.


How to map

Draw a way along the barrier location and tag it barrier=boom.

This tag may be used on open ways and on closed ways. See the wiki page on barriers for general information on how to map barrier features.

Tags in combination

In addition to barrier=boom, it is helpful to add the OpenSeaMap tag seamark:obstruction:category=boom so that OpenSeaMap renderers can interpret it correctly.

A boom can be assumed to be floating unless submerged. If submerged, you could also add the depth range values (if you know them). This is very useful for navigators.

Minimum and maximum refer to situations where the water is tidal or changes in depth for other reasons. If the depth does not change, the creator of this page suggests giving the same value for each tag, to help with machine parsing.

Alternative or duplicate tags

The tag waterway=floating_barrier has been used around 105 times (at 2020-09-29). The higher number of uses probably doesn't represent greater consensus: the tag occurs only in western Europe, and the vast majority (~85%) are by a single user in the UK.

The tag is likely to be questioned by mappers who would like waterway=* to be reserved for real ways along which water flows (rivers, streams, etc), rather than including features associated with water generally.

Nonetheless, as the alternative tags each use a different key, there is no reason why one feature cannot have both, in addition to the OpenSeaMap tag.

On a highway, etc.

In some dialects a lifting road barrier is called a boom barrier, boom gate, or lifting boom (Wikipedia).

Lift gate.jpg

Consider using the more usual barrier=lift_gate for this feature. Around 300,000 nodes have this tag at 2020-09-27, compared with 12 nodes tagged barrier=boom.

Sun-based access times (2019-11-16)

For coding opening times of Muslim places of worship

The idea develops Talk:Key:opening_hours#Sunrise_.2F_Sunset, including comments on Dusk/Dawn.

There are ~5 cases of Muslim prayer times being used in opening times, and hopefully many more as the map grows - Muslims are ~25% of the global population. (It's probably reasonable to suppose that there would be greater use with a documented tag.) Any system developed may have wider applicability.

Background

Muslim prayer times are determined by the sun: dawn, midday, late afternoon, sunset, nightfall. Things are complicated by different definitions of dawn, late afternoon and nightfall among different schools of thought.

Current practice

There are only a handful of cases, but the practice seems to be to simply list out the times (by their Arabic names, with various transliterations) and rely on a user's local knowledge to interpret these into clock-time. E.g., service_times=fajr;zhuhr;asr;maghrib. For practising Muslims this is completely intuitive, and is probably completely adequate in most cases. (It was my practice too, until I was told that it is not consistent with the tagging syntax/policy.)

Need

For anyone trying to code the opening/service times of Muslim places of worship my guess is that the current practice will become de facto. So standardising the approach (particularly spellings) will be useful.

But in the UK (where I'm based) the variety of Muslim practice means the same term can mean slightly different things in mosques just across the street from each other. It would be useful to provide further tags for this.

And, the current practice can't be machine-parsed to give clock-time.

Proposals

1. Standardise the sun-time values

Adopt the spelling below, which uses the US Library of Congress transliteration, simplified to pure alphabetic:

fajr; zhuhr; asr; maghrib; isha

Rationale: I think it is unrealistic to use English terms, as there is no real English equivalent for most of them. Further, English terms are never used among Muslim speakers of British English (unless self-consciously interpreting the religion to outsiders): the Arabic terms effectively are English words in Muslim contexts (as indeed "Ramadan" is for Brits generally). AFAIK the same applies across other languages except in the Turkic regions.

Of the six current instances of the Arabic terms in the map, three are by contributors with manifestly excellent English, apparently native or bilingual Anglophones.

So granted Arabic, the spelling needs to be consistent.

2. Define new tags to specify sun-time values further

We should consider additional options to further specify the sun-times:

  • Definitions vary for asr ("late afternoon"). I suggest attributes of asr=1 and asr=2 for the two definitions in use. (This is effectively the practice of the Nautical Almanac Office, a government agency in the UK.)
  • Definitions also vary for fajr and isha. I suggest attributes with a value of any integer degree of sun's elevation - especially -18; -12; -6 (for dawn/dusk at astronomical/nautical/civil twilight).
Example tag: fajr=-18 => Fajr is at beginning of astronomical twilight in the morning.

3. Accept before/after

Accept (e.g.) fajr - 01:00, by analogy with the existing usage sunset + 01:00. This would be useful for mosques that open, say, 1 hour before dawn prayer is called.

Alternative proposal

We could adopt a universal (not Muslim-specific) system, using values for sun's elevation instead of the Arabic terms.

  • Perhaps *=sun-18AM could indicate the beginning of astronomical twilight in the morning, and *=sun-18PM could indicate beginning of astronomical twilight the following evening.
  • Or service_times:solar=-18AM
  • Or service_times:solar=astronomical_dawn

At the moment I feel this is less suitable:

  • It would be unlikely to win much take-up among Muslims who know the 'Arabic sun times' system, as it is too far from their natural language and everyday life.
  • Even with the variation in definitions, the Arabic terms are good enough as a first-base solution. We should standardise those first, and also offer tags allowing further specification - if needed, or to enable machine-parsing.
  • A universal 'sun's elevation' system will require more technical knowledge (of astronomy and of religio-legal principles) than the vast majority of Muslim mappers are likely to have.

Current usage (Nov 2019)

Mosque name Country OSM datalink Attributes
Mosquée de Fribourg CH node 6435763658 service_times=Open from Fajr to Isha
Kodikuthmala Juma Masjid, Kerala India node 5525280949 service_times=Fajr, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib, Isha'a, Jumua'a
Kattungachira Juma Masjid, Kerala India node 5611204497 service_times=Fajr, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib, Ishaa, Jumuaa
Mosquée Annajat Morocco way 306013485 service_times=Fajr, Dohr, Assr, Maghreb, Ishae
Masjid Rahmat Kampung (F) Lembah Klau Malaysia node 6760852682 service_times=Subuh, Zohor, Asar, Maghrib, & Isya
Surau Amanputra Malaysia way 625105296 service_times=Subuh to Isya'