User talk:TagaSanPedroAko

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Please, use edit descriptions. Especially when deleting already existing text Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:31, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Questionable deletion at Road signs in the Philippines

I have no problems opening the page what you call "excessive use"
Maybe before you're deleting contributions because of your internet connections, without first asking the user who put the effort into the contribution, to find an alternative method?
I always find it very questionable to delete work from other people, just because something works for others but just not for me?
Unless of course someone privately owns wiki pages. Then it's fine. Just mark that page as privately owned and everyone knows not to edit it.

-Hike&Map (talk) 03:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

It's not because I "own" the page. Putting a lot of road sign images has made the page very large has made it hard for my browser to open it. I tried to open it, but it didn't, even with the fast Internet connection. Why it didn't open on mine because of the many graphics.
Then, what browser are you using? I'm using Edge, and I think it can't handle the size of the page due to the many sign graphics you added there. It may open on one browser, but not on the others.
If you want to keep the road sign lookup table, then move it to a separate page rather than swamping the main page to the point its page size is beyond what certain browsers can handle.
Please don't forget to sign your posts, and use headers as well to keep things organized.

--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:13, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Well I'll move it to its own "Road Signs PH Overview" page. But honestly, I'm using an old Globe copper wire DSL 2-6Mbps connection (depending on the time of day) on firefox and if I had known there would be a loading issue I'd moved it to a new page already originally.
It's also the reason I put it at the bottom. Considering it's only helpful for mappers not for anyone who isn't really interested in mapping road signs.
But knowing I'm on a connection as slow as slow can be and not having any issues, I'd never figured that would be the reason for someone to delete the contribution.
Next time contact the person who added the data, so they can move it themselves. Again, I find it inappropriate to delete the contributions of someone else without discussing with them first.
In my experience it's more helpful for a friendly community if people talk and discuss before deleting the work from someone else.

-Hike&Map (talk) 04:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

I've moved already the page for you, at Road signs in the Philippines/sign lookup table. PLEASE, again, use signatures (just type in two hyphens and four tildes ~).
You might have not liked the deletion as it removed all you hard work, but you don't have to ask someone because of a deletion you didn't like. I could have moved the section causing browser loading problems and notified you on your talk page.

--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the page. But Road signs in the Philippines/Sign lookup table seems to be non-existing?

--Hike&Map (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

It's a typo (should have used use small S in "sign"). You know now how to sign your posts, but you've placed it in the wrong place (that should be after the last sentence of your post).

--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

ah, well it seems to be working now
Thank you for the guidance! Please feel free to point out any mistake to me. I'm happy for a conversation to learn how to contribute properly. Just don't simply delete anything. I'm always open for suggestions/hints/recommendations/advise/etc.

--Hike&Map (talk) 05:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Your contribution to the Default speed limits page

Thank you for this! :-)

The next step here would be to look up the definition in the law text(s) what makes a Barangay road a Barangay road, a National primary road a national primary road etc.

So for example, is there special signage required? Or is it defined according to surveyable features like how many lanes there are, if they are marked and if they are segregated, if there is a shoulder or not or if it depends on the road classification (ref code)? If you can find this out and add this info (again with sources linked) in the second table, that would be grand! --Westnordost (talk) 13:37, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

The legislation -- rather a supplement to Philippine traffic law (i.e. the Land Transportation and Traffic Code) -- considers those as administrative classifications (Philippine roads are classified according to the maintaining entity, though they also convey info about places primarily served), nevertheless, they can be verified in some ways such as through kilometer posts (like the common yellow concrete posts along the road with the kilometer number inscribed), route numbers, road project signs, or the local ordinances created from those guidelines. It's easy to find out what are national roads (whether it be primary, secondary, tertiary) from signs and kilometer posts, and less so for provincial, and the least for municipal/city and provincial roads. Except "through streets" (basically national or provincial roads that become an ordinary street through town), the administrative class can be tagged with designation=* or even a new tag specific to the Philippines.
BTW, speed limits under Philippine traffic law is somewhat fuzzy until the 2018 guidelines were published. I used to consider the "open road" speed of 80 km/h (50 for trucks and buses, as well as tricycles/auto rickshaws) as the maximum for any rural road (regardless of administrative classification), but this has changed since I found the 2018 govt guidelines.

--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 23:30, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

So, the sign will say "This is a national primary road"? Or does it have a certain ref code? --Westnordost (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
National primary roads has a one or two digit route number, national secondary three digits, and national tertiary (none, as they have the importance of a local road). Standard specification kilometer posts or right-of-way markers may also identify any national road, but the number will tell what specific subtype of national road it is (considering each subtype has different default speeds).
For provincial and below, it's fuzzy, but you can find the designation from signboards at the beginning or end of a road project not involving a national road. Some provincial roads networks have kilometer posts as well. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 07:32, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
You just deleted the "National secondary road" and "National tertiary road" from the Default Speed Limits page. I think this is wrong because the table (you edited) just lists the legal categories as defined in the linked legislation, i.e. as written in the legislation. So, this is independent of whether such roads can de-facto be observed anywhere. The actual linking to OSM tags <-> legal categories happens in the second table. So if I understood your change summary comment right, you say that "National secondary road" and "National tertiary road" de-facto don't exist. So this means, that in the second table, you'd need to delete the rows for "Philippines: Secondary national road" and "Philippines: Tertiary national road" instead and edit what tags should match the primary national road. --Westnordost (talk) 10:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Westnordost: The road categories I deleted do exist, but I instead grouped all the three of them to one general classification (all the three are considered sub-classifications of national road). It’s not clear from the 2018 JMC if national secondary and national tertiary have lower default speeds (which has something to do with construction standards), but from what I see with the accompanying tables in section II.A.1., I would assume any rural national road (whether it be a national primary, national secondary, or national tertiary) would default to 80. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 18:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


Hello! And sorry for bothering you, but descriptions of files you uploaded need to be improved.

You have uploaded files which are licensed as requiring attribution. But right now attribution is not specified properly.

Please, ask for help if something is confusing or unclear in this message.

Please, fix that problem with this uploads - note that images with unclear licensing situation may be deleted.

Attribution may be missing completely or just be specified in nonstandard way, in either case it needs to be improved. Note that using CC-BY files without specifying attribution is a copyright violation, which is often unethical and unwanted. So clearly specifying required attribution is needed if license which makes attribution mandatory was used.

If it is applying to your own work which not based on work by others - then you can select own user name or some other preferred attribution or even change license to for example {{CC0-self}}

For your own work: ensure that it is clearly stated at file page that you created image/took the photo/etc

For works by others - please ensure that there is link to the original source which confirms license and that you used proper attribution, or that source is clearly stated in some other way.

Especially for old OSM-baded maps, made from data before license change on 12 September 2012 you should use "map data © OpenStreetMap contributors" as at least part of attribution

For old OSM Carto maps, which predate license change on 12 September 2012 you can use a special template {{OSM Carto screenshot||old_license}}

Tekkon app for utility poles

Hello ! I saw this app in the OSMWeekly, it gamifies the collection of data for utility poles. It's made in Japan or Philippines, I'm not sure. You could be interested to get in touch with them :) Fanfouer (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2022 (UTC)