Proposed features/use sidepath

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use_sidepath
Status: Approved (active)
Proposed by: PeeWee32
Tagging: bicycle=use_sidepath
Applies to: Highways with a classification that allows cycling generally without "bicycle forbidden sign" but with a parallel compulsory cycleway.

Countries that have compulsory cycleways.

Definition: This is a highway (for example tertiary) with a classification that allows cycling generally without "bicycle forbidden sign" but with a parallel compulsory cycleway.
Drafted on: 2014-01-30
RFC start: 2014-03-16
Vote start: 2014-05-02
Vote end: 2014-05-16

NOTE: This proposal has been approved. Please see the wiki page.

The main reason for this new tag

This is a proposal for a new access tag. It is a tag to mark that it is normally not allowed to use the road on a bicycle. Instead use the compulsory cycleway.

What is the new proposal (use_sidepath)

This tag bicycle=use_sidepath applies only to roads with a classification that allows cycling generally. When this road has a parallel compulsory cycleway (e.g. Zeichen 240 - Gemeinsamer Fuß- und Radweg, StVO 1992.svg or Zeichen 241-30.svg (DE, PL) or Nederlands verkeersbord G12a.svg or 100px-Nederlands verkeersbord G11 svg.png) (NL) this tag can be applied. But only when this road does NOT have a traffic sign saying it is explicitly forbidden to ride a bicycle (e.g. Nederlands verkeersbord C14.svg or Nederlands verkeersbord C9.svg ). In that case use the "bicycle=no". Legal and access implications may and will vary from country to country. The implications of these traffic signs on many specials vehicles and situations varies so much that it would need a lot of new tags to express this in OSM. There is no need to do this if the legal situation is clear. With a new country specific access scheme (=concept) on compulsory cycleways and their parallel roads it should give routers and renderers enough information for any type of vehicle/situation.

Rationale

Tagging Access

This tag will add access information to the OSM database. The absence of any "bicycle= " tag may give the impression that cycling is always allowed which is not the case when there is a parallel compulsary cycleway.

Routing

This tag will improve bicycle routing. A router can now decide to propose a route that does not use these type of roads. Because of the absence of a "bicycle=" tag routers propose routes that are illegal to take. Here are some examples.

Example1 from Openfietsmap Garmin map (cycleways are red or red/blue)

Use cycleway routing2.jpg


Example2 from the android app Osmand (cycleways are blue dotted, the route is purple)
Here is an example of the Android app Osmand. See how the app also fails to take the cycleway.
Osmandusesideway.jpg
Below is how we like it to be.
OsmandOK.jpg


See the discussion page of the first proposal for more details about routing.

Rendering

A renderer can decide to render these kind of roads differently. A map can be made showing roads on which you are (not) supposed to ride with an ordinary (or exceptional) bicycle. The OSM based Openfietsmap for Garmin GPS devices uses the "bicycle=no" tag to add dashes to these of roads. This way a cyclist can see on his GPS device if he is allowed to ride on this road.

Use cycleway bicycle no.jpg

Something similar can be done with the bicycle=use_sidepath tag.

In Bremen (DE) some roads already have the bicycle=use_cycleway tag. This makes it possible to make a map showing bicycle=no, bicycle=use_sidepath (new proposal) and bicycle=use_cycleway (old proposal). Wait a little while for the lines to render.

Examples

Picture Tags
FietspadG11.jpg
Cycleway: cycling is compulsory.
Cycleway:
highway=cycleway
(implicit:bicycle=designated)

Main road:
bicycle=use_sidepath
Nederlands verkeersbord G13.svg(NL)
or
France road sign C113.svg(FR)
or
Zusatzzeichen 1022-10.svg(DE)
Cycleway: cycling is NOT compulsory.
Cycleway:
highway=cycleway
Possible additional tags, i.e. tags that show that the cycleway is not compulsory or mofa=* tags

Main road:
no explicit bicycle=* tags
Wilhelminenstraße (Darmstadt).jpg
Cycling is explicit not allowed
highway=*
bicycle=no (explicit bicycle ban)

Some more examples in which all cycleways are compulsory cycleways.

Picture Remarks
Use sidepath1.jpg NL, DE, PL, FI: Common situation in urban and rural areas. Alternatively there could be 2 oneway cycleways. One on each side of the road.
Use sidepath2.jpg NL: Common situation in non-urban areas.

DE, PL, FI: Situation at some bypass- or trunk-roads.
Use sidepath3.jpg In this situation cycling one way you should use the cycleway. Cycling the other way you should use the main road. There are no one-way signs present on the main road so a oneway tag is not applicable.
Use sidepath4.jpg In this situation cycling one way you should use the cycleway. Cycling the other way you should use the main road. There are no one-way signs present on the main road so a oneway tag is not applicable.
Use sidepath5.jpg In this situation cycling one way you should use the cycleway. Cycling the other way you should use the main road. There are no one-way signs present on the main road so a oneway tag is not applicable.
Use sidepath6.jpg In this situation cycling one way you should use the cycleway. Cycling the other way you should use the main road. There are no one-way signs present on the main road so a oneway tag is not applicable.

Extra info about the last proposal (bicycle=use_cycleway) and some of our arguments

Read more here.

Links

On both the German forum (in English) and Dutch forum there have been discussions on how to tag these highways. To support this tag a interactive map is made to highlight these (and other) roads.

bicycle=use_sidepath
bicycle:forward=use_sidepath    bicycle:backward=use_sidepath

OLD PROPOSAL

bicycle=use_cycleway
bicycle:forward=use_cycleway    bicycle:backward=use_cycleway

Voting

Please use {{vote|yes}} or {{vote|no}} and give your reasons to oppose. Use --~~~~ to sign your user name & date:

  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal., also useful in Germany --chris66 (talk) 11:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal., it's also applicable in Belgium. --Escada (talk) 13:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal., we need this in the Netherlands to resolve problems with routing which will not be resolved easily in other ways; it has been discussed extensively on the Dutch Forum. Frankl2009 (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal., I've been following the discussions on this topic from the beginning and I'm certainly in favor of this well-condidered propodal.Avena701 (talk) 11:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --M!dgard (talk) 19:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Hubert87 (talk) 10:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Dieterdreist (talk) 11:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. --Foxxi59 (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2014 (UTC) Not required because the tag can be derived from the existing tags
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Arndt (talk) 11:52, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal.--GeorgFausB (talk) 11:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Scai (talk) 12:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Nadjita (talk) 12:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Bielebog this tag looks handy to assess this still widespread german bicycle road ban --Bielebog (talk) 12:08, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --streckenkundler (talk) 12:08, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal.because usefull in germany, less errors in JOSM, easier to map. --Microgamer (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Farad (talk) 12:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. --KK-O (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC) bicycle=no means forbidden for bicycle and not depends on a sign. We don't tag for JOSM an renderers
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. ----Hike39 (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. ----austi1996 (talk) 19:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Seawolff (talk) 21:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --ligfietser (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Mondschein (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. for the same reasons I voted against http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bicycle_use_cycleway --Fkv (talk) 14:09, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. I don't think it is needed, but it is a lot better than putting bicycle=no on ways where it is not forbidden to ride a bike. --Imagic (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. because information can also be derived from cycleway:left/right=sidepath cycleway:left/right:bicycle=designated proposed in German DE:Bicycle/Radverkehrsanlagen_kartieren_Lübecker_Methode, which is used quite a lot (see below) --StefanKurzbach (talk) 09:31, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Thank you for the very well-documented proposal. Math1985 (talk) 20:32, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Result: 22 Approvals and 4 Opposals. Congratulation!--Hb 05:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

cycleway:left=sidepath    cycleway:right=sidepath cycleway:left:bicycle=designated cycleway:right:bicycle=designated