Proposed features/name:Zsye

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name:Zsye
Status: Rejected (inactive)
Proposed by: Ferdinand0101
Tagging: name:Zsye=*
Applies to: nodearearelation
Definition: Represents names which are also writeable with emojis
Drafted on: 2020-01-06
RFC start: 2020-01-27
Vote start: 2020-03-05
Vote end: 2020-03-08

Description

the name of a place but represented as an emoji charcater


Rationale

  • This would enable the user to search for features with emojis (on websites using OSM directly but also on search engines).
    • This would mostly be relevant and useful for moblie users.
  • Data consumers can extract emojis for maps because they look nice and maybe other things.

Tagging

Zsye ?

Zsye is the code for emojis based on the ISO 15924, Codes for the representation of names of scripts.

What are the Emojis that should be added ?

  • Regional Indicator Symbols: these are based on the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes,but do also and tend to render as flags. currently 249 cases.


  • Tags (Unicode): these are an additional, alternative way of indicating flags, currently used for England, Scotland, and Wales.
    • In the future the Tags group should expand with flags for states, prefectures, districts, and provinces; at the moment only three flags are represented there being Englannd Wales and Scotland.


  • Emoji pictograms: these include emoji that are graphical representations of (specific/unique) OSM elements; e.g., 🕋 (Kaaba) currently 4.

Examples

Tags Description Image
relation name:Zsye=🇺🇸 emoji representaion of the USA(flag) Flag of the United States (19-10).svg
relation name:Zsye=🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 emoji representaion of the England(A subdivision of the UK)(flag) Flag of England.svg
area name:Zsye=🕋 emoji representaion of the Kaaba Kaaba mirror edit jj.jpg

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  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Ferdinand0101 (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --PanierAvide (talk) 18:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. This is unnecessary. The suggested use-cases are contrived (at best) or delusional (at worst). This idea is a steaming pile of —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian de Ford (talkcontribs) 18:43, 5 March 2020
    Please, avoid fecal insults. This is not a kindergarten, participants in this discussion are unlikely to be impressed or persuaded by such comments. And it is unkind to author of this proposal. We are not obligated to like it, but please use arguments - not insults Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 00:40, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. I don't really see any point in tagging emoji-only names because nobody really uses such names to make tagging them a tangible benefit. —seav (talk) 19:08, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
The proposal is not for emoji only names it is for things which already have a name but also have their unique emoji --Ferdinand0101 (talk) 19:28, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. --Hauke-stieler (talk) 23:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. --Polarbear w (talk) 23:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. I see no value in tagging this, conflicts with name:<lang> namespace, no real usecase (mentioned example seems contrived). Nothing here benefits from survey or any kind of mapping. If someone really wants to store it - add it to Wikidata. Hopefully I am not afffected here by my deep dislike of emojis Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 00:24, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. I agree with Mateusz Konieczny and the concerns expressed in the talk page. This seems like something that is good for wikidata but not helpful, verifiable or needed in Openstreetmap. --Jeisenbe (talk) 02:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. It is not a name but a symbol, so it does not fit the key 'name'. For those renders who want it they could add it themselves as a lookup table. --Warin61 (talk) 04:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. Emojis are not a language as you can't express any abstract concept using them. --Adavidson (talk) 05:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
But wouldn't the emoji for a country code which is then displayed as a flag express the abstract concept of a country ?
While it is extremely limited in what it can express I believe some abstract concepts.
Furthermore while emojis aren't necessarily a language in normal terms they are defined as one by the ISO standard.
--Ferdinand0101 (talk) 10:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
No, if you could ask what country someone was from in emoji then that would be abstract. Presenting a flag of a country is describing a concrete concept. Also, ISO 15924 is a standard for naming *scripts* not *languages*. Adavidson (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. What Mateusz said. I'm willing to reconsider once the concept of Zsye as a language takes off - once cities have web pages where the language selector gives you Zsye in addition to English and the local language, or tourist bureaus publish their leaflets in Zsye. Until then, I won't complain if someone feels the need to add a name:Zsye to their city but I won't support this becoming "established", replete with missionaries who flock to OSM in order to add a half-made-up name:Zsye to everything that doesn't run away quickly enough. --Woodpeck (talk) 12:52, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Interestingly it would appear that emojis have a number of technical limitations that suggest they will never be a "full" language https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s41235-019-0177-0 Adavidson (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)


I guess it's ponitless to continue voting.

I'll just set it as failed.

Thanks for the suggestion with Wikidata.

--Ferdinand0101 (talk) 20:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)