Talk:Addresses in the United Kingdom

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Adding extra subdivisions

Addresses are "weird" -- many real-life examples require additional subdivisions to fully capture their particulars

Area subdivisions

There may be a case for a similar (possibly UK specific tag); e.g. addr:locality (as in BS7666) analogous to place:locality.

There is no need to introduce a new UK specific tag here as this is what addr:suburb can (and should) be used for. Maybe we are incorrectly applying our perceptions of what a "suburb" is, but for the purpose of the tag, if there is a sub area of a larger urban area (from Hamlet to City) then the addr:suburb tag is the right one to use.--RobJN (talk) 12:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't agree with the assertion addr:village etc. have been incorrectly used. The vast majority of such objects (~93%) also have addr:city tagged (according to taginfo), so I think it is reasonable to assume that they are being used in the sense of the 'forgiving method' for the most part, as a dependent locality of the post town (that's how I've used them at least).

Street subdivisions

There is also additional discussion about addr:street / addr:parentstreet, or the use of addr:terrace, etc.

The current suggestion to use parentstreet instead of street where there is a substreet, terrace, etc. so unaware software doesn't put the housenumber with street when it should go with the sub-thing ignores Sarah Hoffman's point about the assumption made in the absence of street and place tags (find the closest street and use that). [edit] i.e. Unaware software should/will still put a street with housenumber when using substreet with parentstreet.[/edit]

the assumption was that in 99% of the cases you can add a addr:housenumber and be done with it. To compute the address find the closest street, village centre, county etc geographically. The result of this decision was that you can't just map an address that doesn't contain a street by leaving out the addr:street tag. Because the absence of the tag is defined as: use the closest street instead. That's where the addr:place tag came in. It was invented to clearly signal the data consumer: this address does not contain a street. Do not include the closest street in the address. Start the address with this place after the housenumber instead. [1]

TrekClimbing (talk) 21:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Use of Relations

For completeness, it would be worth saying explicitly that the proposed application will not make use of the associatedStreet relation, and that it will leave any existing associatedStreet relations as it finds them. (Or, perhaps it should make use of them - but there is no mention of these relations in the proposed text. )

--spiregrain 17:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Numbering ranges

It would be useful to offer guidance on numbering ranges - both in addr:housenumber and addr:flats . It's quite common in the UK to have values like "1-11" applied to addr:housenumber or addr:flats. At present, this is ambiguous between:

  • A single unit, called "1-11" (rare in the UK, but quite normal in some countries)
  • An address point which includes 1, 2, 3, etc. up to 11.
  • An address point which includes only the odd numbers. It is currently not valid to use the addr:interpolation tag on a building way or an address node/entrace - according to the wiki or according to the various validation tools and editors.

The guidance could suggest adding a valid interpolation way inside the building outline; or recommend novel tags. And the app could support this.

--spiregrain 17:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

External links

JOSM warnings

a parade of shops

Please could we include an example of the fairly common UK feature, the 'parade of shops'?

I give you 1-17 King's Parade, Ditchling Road, Brighton, BN1 6JT. Shops include a cafe/bakery, my favourite off-licence https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5647781971, and a really good butchers. These would have been 267-275 Ditchling Road. They have odd numbers only despite there being no equivalent even numbered addresses opposite. There is no 'King's Parade' road sign, but I have seen them on similar parades. Jnicho02 (talk) 15:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

If you can suggest the addressing (addr:parentstreet?), I will go and photograph the parade to include as an example.
Here's another, using a parentstreet and (perhaps controversial) a named footway. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1011678385 Spiregrain (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

An Industrial Centre

Could we have a worked example of a business park, retail park, or industrial park. Something like "Unit 2, St Swithins Business Park, Martlesham Road, Wimbledon, London, SW9 9AF" please? I'm never quite sure what is advisory - Jnicho02 (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)