Talk:Proposed features/Rice shop

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More (unsuitable(?)) alternatives

I am not opposing the proposal but playing the devil's advocate here and propose addressing these in the proposal to make it "watertight". Why are the following tags not suitable (please amend if you can think of further alternatives)? --Stefanct (talk) 14:02, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I considered tagging rice shops with shop=food + food=rice. However, I think that using "secondary" tags is intended to add extra information to "miscellaneous" food shops selling rarer merchandises. (It may be quite inconvenient if bakeries are tagged "shop=food + food=bread" or butchers are tagged "shop=food + food=meat".) --Maripogoda (talk) 14:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with that actually. We do have the same scheme with amenity=restaurant + cuisine=* and that works just fine, don't you think? I don't think there is a convincing argument for or against these secondary tags in general. I do think that because of our previous choices shop=rice is warranted though. --Stefanct (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

We already have many more specialized tags for shops which sell food. Some of the most common are listed on that page: shop=supermarket (a large shop which sells packaged food, fresh food and a large variety of other consumible items), shop=convenience (a small shop which sells commonly needed items including some types of food), shop=greengrocer (specializes in selling fresh fruits/vegetables), shop=deli - A shop selling fine food, shop=frozen_food (specialized in frozen food). Rather it is shop=food which is the problem since it gives you too little information. Usually one of those other tags would be better. --Jeisenbe (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Of course we do and that's why I said shop=rice is warranted. However, if I would design a scheme from scratch then there wouldn't be a zillion different food-related values for shop=* because it makes so many applications/UIs harder. --Stefanct (talk) 10:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Combination shop=food and food=* requires a lot of prerequisite. Average mappers do not know about shop=food or food=*. These are neither approved nor popular and therefore most editors and services don't support them. On the other hand, shop=rice is much more acceptable because many users know that Key:shop can take various values.

If the combination of shop=food and food=* is approved and becomes popular, the situation will change. Do you think many mappers will accept it if we open RFC to make "shop=food + food=*" approved?--Maripogoda (talk) 15:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

No, they won't and thus this whole discussion is rather theoretical and pointless.--Stefanct (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

There are various types of rice stores, and there are more than 500 types registered in Japan. Just as there are various types of bread in bakeries, I think that rice stores in Asia are similar to bakeries in Europe. I hope the food key can be used to enter rice varieties.--K Sakanoshita (talk) 16:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

How is it sold?

This isn't a feature that effects me, but I can see that it would be important in those parts of the world that rely greatly on rice, so good work!

It would be common knowledge for people who use these shops all the time, so may not be required, but the photo of the shop in Ho Chi Minh City made me wonder - should you also include something about how the rice is sold eg is it pre-packaged only, does the shop measure out the amount you want into bags that they supply, or do you take your own container to the shop for them to fill? --Fizzie41 (talk) 21:50, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

In my experience in Indonesia recently, rice which is sold from the larger containers will be measured out and weighed by the seller, and placed in a smaller container (e.g. a plastic or paper bag) for the customer. You don't need to bring your own container. --Jeisenbe (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
In Japan, in urban areas, rice is often packaged. Typical bags for home use are 5kg or 10kg, but there are also stores that sell 20kg bags for professionals. Highly specialized stores measure out rare (and often very expensive) varieties of rice. In rural areas, shops sell unprocessed rice. Such stores often have automatic rice polishing machines next to them and customers process rice by themselves.--Maripogoda (talk) 14:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)