Unknown distinction between civic and public
Do you know what is the difference between building=civic and building=public?
Suggest not to use this tag?
I dispute the sense of this tag, better use something more specific. Why should the townhall get the same building type as a swimming pool? "Public building" is a very rough category that someone can use to distinguish public functions on a final map product, but this does not need to get reflected on database level. We can have much more specific tags describing the building type (the way the building is structured) and the functions inside the building, so anyone creating a map can decide which categories to make up and how to show them to the map users (e.g. he can make the category "public building" or "civic" and put there all the buildings he decides to put and colour them red or whatever he likes). If we do not enter more details into the map (e.g. because we use too generic types) we will limit the possible use cases and reduce the information in the database. --Dieterdreist (talk) 19:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- btw., the definition ("accessible to the general public") does not work, it would include toilets, cinemas, shopping malls, shops, train stations and much more. --Dieterdreist (talk) 19:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- For accessibility we have the "access" tags, however I do not think we should tag every apartment house as access=private and every shop as access=customers (or "public" or "yes"). The accessibility should automatically be derived from the building function (amenity, shop, etc).
- I think building=public should say something about the visual appearance/construction of the building. E.g. the building on the sample picture looks to me as "public". It is not built as e.g. apartment house, hut, school, whatever else. It is not building=office (as in a big office building for companies). It probably has some offices inside, but also publicly accessible halls or corridors and people go there to get some service useful to general population. Actually I'd say building=civic would be better as to not drag the various conflicting "public" meanings with itself. It is a building built specifically to offer services/public administrations (but not e.g. ministries that are generally not freely accessible).
- At least that is how I understand the tag separation: "building" is for appearance/construction and "amenity/shop/office" is for the current usage of the building
- So usually the building is built as "public/civic" if it is destined to be used for amenity=townhall, amenity=library, amenity=police, leisure=sports_center (but those may be tagged on larger areas around the building itself). You may think of school, hospital etc. too, but those already have their own values for building=. So unless we also create building=townhall/library/policestation, etc. they can be lumped under=public/civic. Aceman444 (talk) 11:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
- I also consider this tag poorly chosen. The buildings it covers are so varied that the only meaningful difference to building=yes appears to be the building's current usage. But a building's usage is explicitly not what the building=* value is intended for. --Tordanik 16:50, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Is this the same as a building with public access?
In France, there are laws for building receiving publics wikipedia:fr:Établissement recevant du public en droit français. Is this tag for such buildings ? FrViPofm (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Probably not (I don't understand French), but I think that law is about disaster safety in buildings where members of the public might visit in potentially large numbers, such as department stores, concert halls, but also some government buildings. The building=public tag is for some types of official buildings of the ("public") government, with some debate (elsewhere on this page) as to which ones. Jbohmdk (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)