Talk:Tag:leisure=beach resort

A whole town?

I keep myself from using this tag on beaches, because I imagine a resort as a whole society centred around some kind of tourism activity. am I wrong there? I guess large hotel areas also are resorts. /Johan Jönsson 17:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The resort I mean are not "whole towns", but beach/coast areas that could be 100...1000 mt long. Often, they span between the shore and the nearest road. If an hotel offers public services they can be classified as beach resorts (else they are hotel with a private beach services). Although the tourism can be the main activity for the beach resorts, they are frequented by local people for leisure. --FabC 18:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

It is good to have a tag for the whole beach-area with beach, boardwalk, small eat and drink sellers. Such areas can be found on many places at the Mediterrean Sea. My little problem is not what is mapped, it is the name of the tag: I think the english word beach resort means more than this, it means the whole town. [[1]]. For example they say about Rimini: It is one of the most famous seaside resorts in Europe, thanks to its 15 km-long sandy beach, over 1,000 hotels and thousands of bars, restaurants and discos. But I guess, if we make our OpenstreetMap-definition clear, there should be no problem./Johan Jönsson 21:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, in OSM we have to define what we mean by words. As far as I am concerned I would suggest that a a beach-resort in OSM should include the beach itself, any cordoned off swimming areas and also immediate facilities directly associated with the beach; possibly including hotels and caravan parks etc, but only if these are in one ownership with the beach with a private access road. I don't think it would be useful to include whole towns within a beach resort. PeterIto 21:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Johan, if you do a search on Google Images, you can see a common view of "Beach Resorts". PeterIto described well the case to tag. In Italy the cases slightly change place by place, but the concept remain valid. If I would be a tourist and I would search for a place to enjoy a beach, (close to the sea or a lake) renting sun-ombrella or stop at a bar or restaurant, I would query for "beach_resort". Just a detail: I explicetly did not talk about "ownership" and "private access road to the beach". At least in Italy the situation is slight complicate since many beaches can be managed but not owned by private (Details on request).unsigned comment by FabC

• I understand what you mean FabC, I have been to some of these and it is definitely something worth tagging and I really want to do that (I do not want to tag the whole town). Sorry for being obnoxious but are the beaches really called resorts in english? I have only heard beach, playa etc.

• I think Peter is trying to catch the phenomenon called a hotel resort, where the hotel and beach is one (or camping site and beach ), but I understand that FabC only want the beaches of the hotels allowing public access to be allowed for this tag. Peter is trying to find a definition on how much to join in the beach_resort-area. I would prefer only the small bars on the beach or on the boardwalk and not the hotels (or bungalows in Thailand) even if they are right there on the beach./Johan Jönsson 15:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The tag should probably cover both the hotel + beach only for use by patrons of the hotel and also for beach available for public use without charge, on which there are various facilities and concessions, some of which charge for services, and others (such as toilets and lifeguards) are free to the end-user. Sorry for the long phrasing! PeterIto 16:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Johan, Peter, I have to say that I'm not an english mothertongue, so may the word "Beach resort" didn't match exactly the meaning but that was the best I got from the few suggestions received at that time. On the other way, some practice used in Italy are not so common abroad. In central Italy is quite common to find beaches area managed by a person authorised by the city hall. The management must include a lifeguard service, a bar service is always included and very often there is a restauraunt. As you can see there is no hotels are involved. Many time the area is closed by fences and walls and you have to pay a tickets to enter. Somewhere else, the access to the shore must be granted, so the passage is free of charge, but of course you cannot use the services (showers, sun umbrella, etc...). If you want to use the services, there is an admittance fee. --FabC 18:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I have no problem with this name btw, as far as I am concerned we are just defining what we mean by it. I have now updated the definition in the article to reflect what I think we have been discussing. PeterIto 03:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Good work, this tag can be used for many beaches world-wide that have some kind of service./Johan Jönsson 20:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Water quality

It would be nice to have a tag to show the water quality, in Europe there is a new directive saying that each beach should have a sign with a rating on it: poor/sufficent/good/excellent or 0/1/2/3 or -/1/2/3. There is also the blue flag, Proposed Features/Blue flag, that in one tag states a lot of good things, quality and safety./Johan Jönsson 16:53, 6 July 2012 (BST)

Beach Umbrellas

In the mediterranean area it is quite common to have fixed beach umbrella locations in beach resorts. It could be interesting to add the single Beach Umbrellas as dots on the map, possibly with the identifier from the resort, so that we could define simple routing methods to get to the positions.

Good idea, maps could help the beach manager to show the umbrella locations to the customers. A few considerations: the umbrella are often removed at the end of the season and maybe their positions have to be adjusted every year. A periodic availability tag should be considered. --FabC (talk) 12:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

This seems a bad idea to me. The umbrellas are often moved depending on the sea conditions and customers may also move them by themselves. It’s like trying to map every tree in a forest.

Sometimes these may be stable and sometimes not, it’s up to the mapper to decide whether it makes sense to map them. Around here customers are usually not allowed to move the umbrellas around, so numbers are fairly stable through the years, although it depends on the resort, some may be reorganizing their layout every season. The idea should not be completely dismissed beforehand, but there are many reasons to think about it whether it makes sense (individually in each case). Btw, the “mediterranean area” is probably not specific enough when talking about local habits, it’s not a homogeneous “area” and probably not helpful as a qualifier, customs already change from one resort to another, are quite different e.g. between the Adriatic and the Tyrrenian coast, and much more comparing e.g. beaches in Tunisia with beaches in Cyprus, Greece or France. —-Dieterdreist (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

What about restaurants separated from the beach part?

In Tropea (Italy), there’s an area along the sea with a lot of lidi consisting of a private beach area with stairs to go up on the public footpath, and a restaurant and other services on the other side of the footpath:

...-----------sea--------------...
   | private | other private |
   | beach   |   beach       |
...============================...  ← public footpath
    +-------+  +-----------+
    |restau-|  | other     |
... |  -rant|  | restaurant|  ...
    +-------+  +-----------+

From the side:

+-----------+   public footpath
|restaurant |    ↓     
+-----------+---____--SS    ← stairs with access=customers/permissive
                        SS
                          SS  --private-beach----|sea

I’m not sure how to map each lido: make an area around the private beach and the restaurant that’s crossed by a highway with access=yes? Or use a relation for each one? Or just use the same name= for each private beach / restaurant? Note one can go to the restaurant without paying for the beach and vice-versa. There belong to the same entity but can be used separately. Thanks in advance. -- Baprischka (talk) 09:40, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I would exclude the access ways and steps from the private resorts if they are not part. For restaurants I would just map them additionally and assume it is normal that everybody can go there and not just customers of the beach. —Dieterdreist (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)