User talk:NE2

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Cheers for correcting my spellings on Railways dude, it was a late night when I wrote that!

Regarding, Tag:railway=narrow gauge. So far the tags only exist as such, but I'd welcome a Proposal for gauge as a separate entity. Why not write that page? To get you started, I've thrown in a template at Tag:railway=narrow gauge/Proposal and there are plenty of example's around to learn how they're written.

Cheers, Martin Renvoize 18:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Split US route relations

How come you’re splitting the US route relations? --Hawke 18:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Because the one for US 1 was way too long, and is much easier to work with split by state. --NE2 18:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
How did you decide how long is “too long”? Also, you appear to be splitting all the relations, not just US 1. I definitely do not think that this is the right thing to do, even for US 1.
I only split US 1, which even says "Candidate for breaking at state lines, will be rather long in the end." in the notes column. "Too long" is "takes a minute to load". If you look at the Interstates, many are split by state. This is pretty standard practice. --NE2 18:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I misread some of the change history where you were changing other routes to state-specific US route information. Thanks for taking the time to explain. --Hawke 21:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I concur with NE2 on this, we need to split these long relations the same way that we're trying to split interstates. --nfgusedautoparts 16:57 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Relation analysis tool

Hi, I have my own script on the toolserver that gives me the segments. It is still experimental, it is pretty slow and fails with long relations. It as a couple improvements over the one at works with roundabouts and better handles the direction relations, effectively stitching together the separated and non-separated portions of the highway. You can try it if you want for your relation that would be [1]. From this result I still have to fix the relation manually. Nakor 14:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring at deletion

On page "Contra subjective keys" for deletion.

  • Empty: the page was not empty
  • Useless: the content could have been made to something usefull

... but page is up for deletion anyway ;) ... I will not revert your edit. --Kslotte 02:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It was empty in the manner that four walls and a roof are empty if only a floor is inside. If you look at the one page that links to it, it's an attempted strawman fallacy, equating any opposition to Class:bicycle with opposition to subjective tagging as a whole. --NE2 03:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Florida/State road relations

Hey, you might like to take a sec to look at it's discussion page. There's something there for you. --Rickmastfan67 10:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

New Jersey

For convenience, I am addressing further questions about your work in New Jersey here.

Atlantic City and Brigantine

A note here: I've changed Huron Avenue in Atlantic City back to highway=trunk as the fact that the eastbound side has no sliproads away from it that do not occur at an at-grade intersection (the only one northbound leads to the Borgata, but a turn cuts across this carriageway) jeopardises motorway status for this whole part of NJ 87, and because the Brigantine Connector handles the majority of the traffic from US 30 to Brigantine, Borgata, Trump Marina, and Harrah's; in fact, signage suggests that drivers use this part of the Connector to get to Borgata and Brigantine anyway. Moreover, the Connector per se is just one northbound carriageway north of the US 30/NJ 187 exit; the actual southbound carriageway is the connector from NJ 187, not the NJ 87 southbound carriageway (a sign at NJ 187's southern end identifies this road as the mainline).

I live in Brigantine myself and use this road almost every day, as all things I do out of town are on the mainland. CrystalWalrein 04:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually the SJTA (which maintains NJ 87, NJ 187, and even part of US 30) says that westbound Huron is part of the connector southbound: Page 31 of shows that several southbound ramps in that area are lettered. Eastbound is more debatable, but I decided to mark it motorway west of the Borgata ramp to avoid issues with westbound becoming non-motorway where the median ends.
I'm changing westbound back to motorway, but leaving eastbound trunk. --NE2 04:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Bergen County

Some routes marked after your last edit reflect the NJDOT numbers rtaher than the ones recognised by Bergen County. For instance, Skyline Drive in Bergen County is CR 4 on the field (and a recently installed NJDOT marker makes note of that). I'm marking Skyline Drive over to reflect this. CrystalWalrein 14:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

CR S-91 is a strange case that could go either way, and I was unsure what to do about it (though I'm unclear on why you're saying CR 4 on Skyline is recognized by Bergen County, if the only signs for it there are NJDOT), but what other routes are you changing? --NE2 15:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
What I mean is that NJDOT is posting signs at traffic lights that reflect Bergen County's assignment, rather than their own; they started posting these overhead signs in Bergen County later than everywhere else since the routes don't always match up. Here is a list of route number comparisons between the Bergen County and NJDOT maps. When I find the link for an old AOL Hometown page that had a more complete list, I'll edit this post. CrystalWalrein 16:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
UPDATE: Found it. CrystalWalrein 16:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I saw that - note that it doesn't mention CR 4 on CR S-91 (but [2] does). [3] (Oakland) is similarly muddled, listing Skyline as S-91 but showing 4 overlapping US 202/CR 91 to get there. --NE2 17:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ocean County

Barnegat Boulevard in Barnegat Township west of US 9 was recently signed as CR 609, but with directions switched with respect to the route east of US 9. (I had it marked this way until you changed it back to CR 6; even on NJDOT's paperwork it's CR 8.) I've edited it as such. CrystalWalrein 02:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Did you notice at the bottom of [4] the reason why most of the under-600 numbers are even? --NE2 18:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I did. For some reason, some of the numbers that have not been converted to 600- or 500-series routes are still different in the NJDOT SLDs (which, despite having entries for the even-numbered routes, do not have entries for some odd-numbered unconverted routes such as CR 89 and CR 43).
Ocean County has the weirdest route numbering system of them all — it seems like they were well on their way to converting them all, but only did half the work. I've been meaning to get my hands on a complete map of the county just so I could post a renumbering proposal to SABRE or misc.transport.road. CrystalWalrein 21:35, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

With regard to municipality-specific county roads (I've had them all mapped a while back), some of which (like 50 in Manahawkin and 2 in Whiting) are signed by NJDOT, how do you think we should go about them? CrystalWalrein 23:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Who knows? At least in Florida everything just deteriorates in the counties that don't care. Here you have numbering conflicts (especially in Union) and the like. --NE2 01:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Garden State Parkway

Exit 0 was just signed last year, actually. (Before that, even, all pamphlets associated with the Parkway made note of it). CrystalWalrein 03:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Which direction at the split is exit 0? It should be placed at the split, and only the signage for that direction should be included in the name tag.
By the way, you should probably use semicolons to separate lines, and follow normal English capitalization (directions are not capitalized, and neither are words such as 'and' and 'of'). --NE2 03:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I've only seen it southbound, approaching the end. The exit relates to NJ 109 itself rather than a single ramp (when I go back down there for my engine test run, I'll snap a photo if the signs remain). CrystalWalrein 03:49, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


(New section for this, as this does not apply exclusively to New Jersey, although the dispute takes place there.)

The consensus on all replies to the issue of link tags that you raised last night doesn't favour declaring side streets {Tag|highway|trunk_link} or other link. With regard to the US 206-CR 543 interchange, I suggest we go with the method in this post and call the residential parts of these links (but not the points where they meet US 206) {Tag|highway|secondary}, the equivalent of CR 543. CrystalWalrein 12:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks like that's best, but let's wait a bit and I'll change them all over. --NE2 18:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Turn hints

If you like the idea of the Turn hints relation, would you mind throwing in your support for it on the talk page? Currently I've only seen people saying it's a bad idea and/or unnecessary. Thanks! --BigPeteB 16:22, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'm not really a directions kind of guy; I like having a map I can follow. --NE2 21:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Toll Highways

Want your opinion on something new I just posted over at that Toll Talk page. --Rickmastfan67 04:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Township boundaries

Please see my follow-up about Ohio township boundaries here. I skimmed the U.S. mailing list the other day, and it didn't look like anyone had mentioned this issue either way. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 10:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


Time out and de-escalate please. Your repeated reversions are causing friction. Could you join us for discussion on Talk:Tag:highway=mini_roundabout#mini roundabouts which are not traversable, please? You probably have a point, but edit warring certainly isn't the correct way of going about it. Thanks! --achadwick 16:42, 10 May 2012 (BST)

I'm discussing it on the tagging list. --NE2 16:44, 10 May 2012 (BST)

motorway junction

Does it really indicate an exit in the US? From my understanding an exit should be indicated by motorway link. --Gauß 15:52, 7 August 2012 (BST)

That's the exit ramp. --NE2 17:45, 7 August 2012 (BST)