Item talk:Q5030

The issue of 'two-track non-motorized vehicles' being included in the description of 'highway=path'

@Oivo357: Zcela nelogický překlad bez zpětné kontroly významu a souvislostí.

1. Pokud je určena pro malá vozidla ... chybí "nemotorová"
2. Pokud není určena pro dvoustopá vozidla, tak to implikuje předchozí bod ... ty nemohou být dvoustopá?
3. A další drobnosti.

• Toto je opět mechanický strojový překlad od uživatele Oivo357 bez hlubší kontroly, kde kvantita převažuje nad kvalitou :( Pokud by se jednalo o kvalitní předklad, musel by Oivo357 nalézt tyto chyby v anglické verzi.

A completely illogical translation without checking the meaning and context.

1. If it is intended for small vehicles ... "non-motorized" is missing.
2. If it is not intended for two-wheeled vehicles, then this implies the previous point... they cannot be two-wheeled?
3. And other small items.

• This is again a mechanical machine translation by user Oivo357 without deeper checking, where quantity prevails over quality :( If it were a high-quality submission, Oivo357 would have had to find these errors in the English version.

--HaPe-CZ (talk) 09:49, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

I just translate the english description, just like it is

in German

Ein allgemeiner Weg, der von Fußgängern, Kleinfahrzeugen, Reitern oder Vieh genutzt wird. Nicht für die Benutzung durch zweispurige Fahrzeuge bestimmt. Sehr breite, unspezifische Bedeutung.

Polish

Niesprecyzowana ścieżka używana przez pieszych, małe pojazdy lub zwierzęta. Nieużywana przez pojazdy dwuśladowe. Bardzo szerokie, niespecyficzne znaczenie.

Portuguese

Caminho genérico utilizado por peões, veículos de pequeno porte como motorizadas, para a circulação de animais ou para a passagem de gado. Não é utilizado por veículos de 4 rodas.

or in Danish

En generisk sti, der bruges af fodgængere, små køretøjer, til at ride på eller drive husdyr. Ikke beregnet til brug af to-spors køretøjer. Meget generel, ikke-specifik betydning.

etc.

If you want to suggest better english description, please contact the author of this english description.--Oivo357 (talk) 11:29, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I understand that you don't understand the Czech language and are translating mechanically without using reason and logic. Then the translations are useless. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 12:24, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

@HaPe-CZ: You should correct original (English in this case) description first. If original version is bad, translated version will be bad also, no matter how translation is made. Something B (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 12:30, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

@Something B: Proposals (please check en version):

• cs: "Označení obecné cesty pro všeobecné použití, např. chůzi, běh, jízdu na kolech nebo zvířatech ale i pastvu dobytka. Cestu je možno použít i pro malá nemotorová vozidla (např. vozíky tažené zvířaty)."
• en: "Designation of a public road for general use, e.g., walking, running, cycling, or riding animals, but also grazing livestock. The road may also be used by small non-motorized vehicles (e.g., animal-drawn carts)." --HaPe-CZ (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Sounds good. Something B (talk) 15:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

I question, if "public road" is an adequate English term regarding "path". I think a "road" is mainly designated for 2-track vehicles. But my language knowledge isn't perfect. What about "way"? --Chris2map (talk) 15:23, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

@Chris2map ... Yes, that's true. Change "public road" => "public way" or "public path" no problem. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 15:32, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Maybe "public" should be dropped from definition, because this tag applicable to paths with private use or access. Something B (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

highway=path can also be accessible to (some or all) forms of two wheeled motorised traffic.--Oivo357 (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

@Something B ... The word "public" can be omitted, or the tag "access" can be added for non-public items. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 16:11, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

@Oivo357 se koukni napřed na popis: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:highway%3Dpath --HaPe-CZ (talk) 16:12, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

First, is the addition of the content 'small non-motorized vehicles (e.g., animal-drawn carts)' a matter that has been agreed upon? I believe such content can overturn the concept of 'highway,' more than just modifying a sentence. I don't know how it is in your country, but generally, motorized vehicles can also travel on roads where things like animal-drawn carts travel, and this concept overlaps with 'highway=track.' I request that changes of a magnitude that overturns the existing classification system be made through consensus. Otherwise, we will not adhere to it, and you should also consider arbitrarily reverting the content. --깨몽/dreamy (talk) 04:25, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

@Adreamy ... see image and read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath. The item description has been modified and simplified (shortened) according to this description on the wiki. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 06:57, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

@ALL ... Please read the extended description of the item at Tag:highway=path. These roads are not primarily intended for cars in the description. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 17:45, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

The current description (En) does not correspond to the actual and correct description on the wiki page. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 13:22, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Please do not change the definition of highway=path without broad community discussion. The only discussion is hidden on the Item:Q5030 talk page, not discussed on highway=path or https://community.openstreetmap.org/ where it would get real visibility. If you want to change a significant definition, please discuss it broadly with the community. For a long time a big distinction between highway=path and highway=track is 1-track versus 2-track. As well, use by electric bicycle and motorcycle (1-track motorized vehicle) use may be appropriate for some highway=path whereas highway=track may be more appropriate for 2-track ox-carts and horse-drawn farm equipment. The changes made to these pages significantly shift the way people trying to figure out which to use would interpret when to use highway=path. If you feel that the description of the tag can be improved, please create a thread on https://community.openstreetmap.org/ where many others can weigh in. --Adamfranco (talk) 13:36, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

"The only discussion is hidden on the Item:Q5030 talk page" ... an excellent solution, anything that doesn't fit is deleted so that it isn't visible. That's a good idea on how to proceed. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 14:00, 1 November 2025 (UTC)