Talk:Key:real fire
What types of fire are "real"?
I think we know what we mean when we're talking about nice fireplaces in pubs ...but the question will come up (in fact it did on IRC). We're ruling out a gas fire presumably, even if its one of those which closely imitates a coal file. It can't be called a "real fire". Then there's other fun edge cases. A wood fire is definitely real, but what about one of those wood pellet burners? They're a bit "sanitised" but probably yes.
But why are we tagging 'real_fire' instead of just 'fire' anyway? Probably because we thought it looked neat alongside Key:real_ale I guess.
-- Harry Wood (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- I'd probably agree that it could just be "fire", to indicate the pub has a fire that is in use. I guess "real" is intending to filter by one that actually burns wood or coal, and perhaps you can visibly see it? (so wood pellet burner not likely to be valid for that) Pmackay (talk) 08:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Implies the fire is regularly lit?
I almost edited the page to say that this tag should imply that the fire is regularly lit. Certainly the obvious use case, to plot a map of where all the pubs with real fires are, would be better served if the fire is actually lit. I imagine quite a few pubs have old fireplaces which they do not use. Trouble is that's maybe a bit subjective. What does regularly mean? -- Harry Wood (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Move page to more used Key:fire and rewrite (current page seems like a joke)
Proposed rewrite (feel free to suggest changes) REWRITE:
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Used to identify places which have a fireplace or stove you can sit around for ambiance and enjoying direct heat.  
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Used to indicate that the establishment contains a fire.
Note that this tag is about stoves and fireplaces that people can gather around for ambiance. It's not for a venue's central heating system.
===How to tag=== (for talk page markup, this would be normal header)
- real_fire=yes
- real_fire=fireplace Open fire in a hearth/fireplace.
- real_fire=stove Enclosed fire, not one to cook with.
- real_fire=no
- real_fire:fuel=wood
- real_fire:fuel=coal
- real_fire:fuel=gas
- real_fire:fuel=oil
- real_fire:fuel=pellets Compressed sawdust. Better for the environment, but less ambiance than a wood fire.
=== Photos === (for talk page markup, this would be normal header)
Big fireplace in a ski resort hotel in Switzerland
Small coal fire (with fireguard) in a pub
London OpenStreetMap pub meet-up with a small wood burner in the background
--Floridaeditor (talk) 13:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree, current page looks fine. Calling it "ridiculous" is not likely to attract constructive cooperation from people who worked on this tagging scheme and page, at least not from me. —M!dgard [ talk ] 13:57, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I respect that, but OSM is not about "coziness". --Floridaeditor (talk) 15:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
No, we map verifiable objects which are a common feature that is searched for to create coziness. It is important on a dreich winter Saturday walk, when it is wet and you need a pub where you can get youe boots dried out before venturing out for the afternoon stage.Trigpoint (talk)
- This page describes a tag which is currently used. Although it is rather rare, the page should exist as long as these tags are in the database. However, it's fine to create a proposal for a new tag if you think it would be better. But also note that Key:fire is mainly used with the value "ring" - that's a ring of stones outdoors, not an indoor fireplace in a pub or hotel, so it's not really used the same way currently: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/fire#values --Jeisenbe (talk) 15:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Gah! I forgot about looking there. Thanks. What is your stance on changing the page with the new revisions, however? --Floridaeditor (talk) 15:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at taginfo again, the documented key Key:fireplace is much more commmon, so probably that's what you want? --Jeisenbe (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- The tag "highway" is more common but that's not really the point is it? As noted above "fire" seems to be used for all sorts of things (a ring of stones in a campsite, an area where fires are prohibited, etc.). "fireplace" in OSM seems to be "somewhere were you are allowed to start a fire". This tag is recording something different to either of those. I'd say to everyone, and I'll try to follow the advice myself - please don't attempt to tell people how to map things with which you are completely unfamiliar. SomeoneElse (talk) 21:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at taginfo again, the documented key Key:fireplace is much more commmon, so probably that's what you want? --Jeisenbe (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Gah! I forgot about looking there. Thanks. What is your stance on changing the page with the new revisions, however? --Floridaeditor (talk) 15:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)