Talk:Proposed features/shop=bubble tea

alcohol?

" It's widely used in Germany that containing many beer or wine resellers" - that would be shop=alcohol Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but both shop=alcohol and shop=beverages are not proposed and it still don't have agreement that weather shop=beverages should use to tag both fresh drinks and bottle beverages, a place selling the latter is like a drink market or a beverages convenience shop. tntchn ^talk 15:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Amenity versus shop

If I understand correctly, amenity=* tends to be used for eateries, which make and sell products ready to consume, whereas shop=* is for other food vendors. If amenity=cafe is ill-fitting because there's no seating, then I think amenity=fast_food cuisine=bubble_tea would be a suitable alternative. This way, both these stands and actual bubble tea cafés can be easily discoverable through the same cuisine=bubble_tea tag. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 15:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with that. Especially since the definition says the tag is also used on places selling "milk, juice and other similar beverages." That seems to broad of things this covers for a dedicated bubble tea tag. Cuisine=bubble_tea would cover it fine and allow for other cuisine tags to be added with it. From what I've seen online bubble tea places that are sit down consider themselves cafes anyway, or if not amenity=fast_food is fine. There's no reason to create a unique shop or amenity tag for this. Anymore then there would be for other similar things. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

cuisine=bubble_tea

In a fit of frustration and mobile editing laziness I created a POI with:

amenity=cafe cuisine=boba_tea

the other day. I think it's obvious that boba/bubble tea deserves its own cuisine at the very least, which does seem to be well established.

This shop in particular has seating and also sells coffee and basic food items. I'm familiar with places that also sell crepes. I've never seen one that offered delivery, or that was just a stand with no seating, but I wouldn't object to fast_food because the seating is more rudimentary than a typical Starbucks.

I'd object to beverage shop on the basis that it seems shop is for buying premade products, and there are tons of beverages that can't be found at a boba tea place. I'd consider that more appropriate for a place like BevMo. I'd also object to shop=bubble_tea on the fact that a suitable tag has already been found for the vast majority of existing shops: a retail establishment that serves beverages and maybe food, maybe sit-down maybe take-away, is not a new kind of shop. Dunkin Donuts and hot dog carts have had this business model for decades, the main difference is that it's Asian cuisine. (If we were talking about a completely new kind of establishment, like a cat cafe where cuisine=cat would be woefully inappropriate and the definition of cafe is stretched, that'd be different.)

Ultimately I'd like something that can be easily rendered by clients. The "cafe" or "fast food" category have appropriate icons already (inasmuch as a burger is an appropriate icon for Taco Bell), and if we allow either/both then at least all boba places can still be searched by cuisine type as the previous commenter said. Zyphlar (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree, depending on the type of place, amenity=fast_food or amenity=cafe is fine; a separate bubble tea shop would be far too specific. In Latin America for instance, little stalls selling things like arepas or churros are cultural institutions at least as much as SE Asia has bubble tea; by the same logic each of those would need its own shop type, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbethke (talk • contribs) 07:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

shop=kiosk is for vendor stalls regardless of what they sell, right? – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 21:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

No, shop=kiosk is for a specific type of shop, that used to be popular in Europe (and still has some presence) - "selling products like cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages". Tiny fast food stall will be still amenity=fast_food, small butcher shop is still shop=butcher etc. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:22, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

You should use some other tag to show it's a "kiosk" in physical form, such as building=kiosk. Kovposch (talk) 13:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree, depending on the type of place, amenity=fast_food or amenity=cafe is fine; a separate bubble tea shop would be far too specific.

+1, we have already over 500 cuisine=bubble_tea in the database. As boba is the translitteration of bubble in Chinese, it shouldn't be used (tags should be in British English).

On the other hand, it's specific enough and common enough to have its own wiki page.

The fact that seats are sparse or absent can be given by seats=*=<number> --Nospam2005 (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggested rendering

I quickly put together a possible rendering, based on the icon for beverage, and the description in the proposal with some additional pearls. 25px: and 14px:

It could probably be optimized greatly, but seems like it might be a useful example. I'm not sure what the convention is for introducing a new icon, but feel free to add it to the main page of this proposal, if that is appropriate, and it seems useful. --Keithonearth (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Maki is the usual icon set. Make a proposal: each icon is available as an SVG in two sizes: 11px by 11px and 15px by 15px. --Nospam2005 (talk) 09:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Temaki is an extension a.o. for iD and it has a bubble tea icon. No need to reinvent the wheel - yes your proposal is pretty similar. --Nospam2005 (talk) 08:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)