Proposal:Key:school:for
| Key:school:for | |
|---|---|
| Proposal status: | Rejected (inactive) |
| Proposed by: | Pietervdvn |
| Tagging: | school:for=adult;learning_disablilities;autism;blind;deaf;normal_pupils;... |
| Applies to: | node, area, relation |
| Definition: | An extra tag on schools to indicate what kind of facilities are available for special-need students |
| Statistics: |
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| Rendered as: | N/A |
| Draft started: | 2022-06-16 |
| RFC start: | 2022-06-16 |
| Vote start: | 2022-07-01 |
| Vote end: | 2022-07-15 |
Proposal
Some schools are focused on a group of pupils with special needs - e.g. students with learning disabilities, autism, ...
Similar to social_facility:for=* and community_center:for=*, this key describes which kind of facilities for special needs are available on the educational institution.
Rationale
At this point, it is not possible to distinguish between the types of schools. One aspect to school is whether or not they have special education and if so, what types of special education they give.
Tagging
In order to gain this tag, the specific target group should have decent facilities and be a significant part of the student population. A school offering ad-hoc facilities for a handful of students having a learning disability does not qualify.
For example, if there is one kid with dyscalculia which is allowed to use their calculator on the final exam, this is ad hoc and does not grant a school:for=dyscalculia.
However, if there are plenty of such students which do get extra courses on maths by a specialized trainer, they can use their calculator on, this does qualify. A good rule of thumb is that no parents needed to complain to get the extra courses.
In some schools, a diagnosis by a doctor is needed to be able to enter. In other schools, non-diagnosed and diagnosed students can both study. In this case, school:for=[[Tag:school:for=mainstream;<groups/disabilities for which facilities exist|mainstream;<groups/disabilities for which facilities exist]] are added.
A non-exhaustive list of possible values is below.
| Value | Explanation |
|---|---|
| mainstream | This value is assumed if the tag is not set. This implies that the school has little or no facilities for special education student and/or has only a small group of them. This value can be used in conjunction with other values to indicate that the school also takes normal-able students apart. |
| adult | A school specifically for adults. Some types of schools will mostly focus on adults naturally (e.g. amenity=driving school, amenity=university) for which this tag is implied automatically. However, this tag can be used for schools which are normally not associated with adults, e.g. a school teaching basic literacy to adults who never had the chance to learn how to read. |
| child | A school for kids. This should only be used to disambiguate if unclear, e.g. a amenity=music_shool might be for kids, for adults or for both. By adding a school:for=child this can be clarified. |
| autism | School with facilities for pupils on the Autism Spectrum or with an autism disorder |
| ADHD | School with facilities for pupils with ADHD |
| reduced_mobility | School with facilities for persons with reduced mobility, e.g. partial paraplegia. This needs _more_ facilities then just being fully wheelchair accessible, such as extra support by physiotherapy. |
| dyslexia | school with facilities for students with dyslexia, e.g. which has special tools reading text aloud, extra courses, ... |
| dycalculia | school with facilities for students with dyscalculia, e.g. which has extra courses, allows calculators on all tests, ... |
| learning_disabilities | school with facilities for students with learning disabilities. (If possible, specify which learning disabilities) |
| blind | A school for blind students and/or students with a serious sight impairment |
| deaf | A school for deaf students and/or students with a serious hearing impairment. |
| user defined | This list is never complete. Please add extra keys |
If multiple values apply, they can be added in a ;-separated list, e.g. school:for=blind;deaf or school:for=autism;ADHD;learning_disabilities
When not to use this tag
This tag is not meant to indicate that this is a boys only/girls only school; for this school:gender=* is already in de-facto use.
This tag is not meant to indicate wheelchair accessibility of the school buildings. In Western countries, most buildings are mostly accessible by wheelchairs, i.e. a normal-able student who broke a leg will probably manage to get around or the administration might move courses to a more accessible classroom for this student, but this does _not_ qualify as being a school:for=reduced_mobility.
In some countries, all schools are obligated to be inclusive where ordinary schools are obligated to accept students with disabilities, unless it is proven not to be possible. As this is the normal course of action for that country and will often imply many ad-hoc-facilities and policies. In other words, this implies the mainstream-tag.
This tag must not be used to tag the subjects of the school or the courses.
Examples
A special education school in Bruges: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/530565758
Rendering
N/A
Features/Pages affected
This is a partial extension on amenity=school, but amenity=kindergarten and amenity=college might be affected by this too.
When this tag is approved, we should search for weird (and often incorrect tags such as):
- access:deaf=*,access:blind=*,access:mental_disabled=* - education:*=* should be inspected to retag appropriate values
External discussions
Comments
Please comment on the discussion page.
Voting
Voting on this proposal has been closed.
It was rejected with 2 votes for, 7 votes against and 1 abstention.
I approve this proposal. --Thibaultmol (talk) 11:19, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
I oppose this proposal. fundamentally broken as already discussed --SimonPoole (talk) 11:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)- I oppose this proposal. I believe this proposal is trying to put a bit too many things into a single tag. The usage of school=blind, school=deaf and school=special_education_needs shows that there is definitely demand for a tag that distinguishes between schools dedicated to a subset of children. Special education is a well understood concept in many countries, and to tag these schools using this proposal would require listing each disability serviced. Ignoring, of course, that not all cases of autism, ADHD etc, even qualify for these schools; it’s generally very specific to each child. I’d say a better scheme would focus less on what differentiates the student body, and more on the type of schooling. The distinguishing feature of a deaf school is that it generally teaches through non verbal communication, etc. Diacritic (talk) 12:19, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- I oppose this proposal. I still believe we should not mix different concepts into the same key. "Adult" and "child" are about age, other proposed values are about disabilities and disorders, these should not go into the same key. I also agree that a generic value which states it is about "special education", without having to list all groups of special education, would be desirable as an option. --Dieterdreist (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- I oppose this proposal. As mentioned above. For example, would school:for=adult;autism mean that it's a school for adults with autism, or a school for adults (without autism) and autistic people of any age? And how to tag the other option? --Famlam (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. I think this is a good idea, but will "for" a bit abstract? Maybe another subtag like "serve" or "allow" will better? --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)- I approve this proposal. --Francians (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- I oppose this proposal. Although I support using school:for=*, as how I suggested looking into amenity=training + training=* compared to broadening amenity=school on diary, I'm more opposed to the suggestion of using school:for=* on amenity=* other than amenity=school for reason of consistency. For other oppositions, the shortcoming of *:for=* in different categories and combinations is common to social_facility:for=* that might need to be solved wholly; and you can always add a general school:for=* encompassing all special needs. I would disagree with using school=*. That should be reserved for other aspects.--- Kovposch (talk) 07:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I oppose this proposal. I oppose. I would rather like to tag school types instead to guess for which kind of people a school is. --Agent redd (talk) 07:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I oppose this proposal. This tag is confusing instead of enlightened for so many reasons. --Reino Baptista (talk) 15:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
