Talk:Tag:amenity=public bath

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Public bath

So what is a public bath? Is it a house where the public pays to get access to bath tubs, showers, etc? Or is it a bath in a lake, where you do not have to pay/have to pay to use it? Riggwelter (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

From the discussion in the mail list I gather this is meant for bathing facilities as you describe, so this is not a general tag for all places to bathe at. My suggestion is yo use this tag when the other in play, sports_centre, spa, beach_resort, water_park doesn't really seem to fit. I am not sure for bathing facilities that comprise of a big indoor swimming pool (and changing room, showers etc) if swimmin_pool or public_bath is to prefer. /Johan Jönsson (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Examples: amenity=spa

Why are all examples with amenity=spa (which is a undefined tag)? --AndiG88 (talk) 11:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Good question, I don't know. The Onsen-example was formulated at ML discussion thread about this feature and it does not mention spa. I tested the Onsen-scheme on Iceland to see if the scheme could work. I'll put a note behind saying it is a proposal. /Johan Jönsson (talk) 12:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
It's a pretty bad "proposal" Talk:Tag:amenity=spa --AndiG88 (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Poorly defined

I agree that this definition page doesn't currently allow to say what is included and what not, and when other tags should be used. Also, it speaks about bathing, but the picture shows a shower. Are public showers included? What about gender, how should it be tagged that there are at least 4 possibilities: only for men, only for women, mixed, for both genders but separated? --Dieterdreist (talk) 11:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree this page is confusing, but maybe not hopelessly so? I think "location where the public may bathe in common" is pretty clear. Maybe anything about locations for relaxation/therapy (amenity=spa/amenity=sauna) should be moved off? I also find all the specific tagging for Japanese and Icelandic baths confusing. Here are some responses to the other issues you raise:
  • Picture: maybe this image would be better and more typical?
  • Showers: shower=* is mentioned on the Bathing page, and could be mentioned more prominently here.
  • Gender: the amenity=toilets tag seems to have brought us the male=*, female=* and unisex=* tags, which is a start.
--Neuhausr (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is fixable. Thanks go to selfish seahorse for fixing the image. I'm adding references to the shower and gender documentation (as you say, it is a start, I didn't intend going into LBGT etc. discussions, although there might be room for it, I'm not currently adding it. --Dieterdreist (talk) 08:37, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I took the liberty to further revise the wiki page and to add the sub-tags bath:type=hammam/thermal. I hope you don't mind. --SelfishSeahorse (talk) 21:05, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I have amended a minimum temperature (this is what "thermal" basically refers to, besides the mineral rich aspects) according to the German definition, because I couldn't find other references. Maybe we also need a "spa" subtype? --Dieterdreist (talk) 09:54, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, too. Actually, amenity=spa already exists. However, the problem is that the term 'spa' is ambiguous - according to the Oxford Dictionary it can refer to:
  1. A mineral spring considered to have health-giving properties.
  2. A place or resort with a mineral spring.
  3. A commercial establishment offering health and beauty treatment through such means as steam baths, exercise equipment, and massage.
  4. A bath containing hot aerated water.
For (1) we have natural=spring, (4) might better be labelled hot tubs/Jacuzzis/whirlpools and (2) corresponds to the proposal bath:type=thermal. The question is, what should we do with (3)? Unfortunately, I don't know a synonym. It might be best to use amenity=spa only for (3) and to adjust its definition shop=beauty for such establishments. --SelfishSeahorse (talk) 16:12, 16 October 2017 (UTC)