Talk:Tag:railway=monorail

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Rendering

  • A line rendered in a style at the discretion of the rendering engine. A thin line in black of a darker colour such as purple is suggested.

Opinion

Please add your opinions here. If appropriate, voting will commence 2nd April 2007 or after.

  • I look forward to this proposal being accepted as I'm already using it on my Sydney map and would like to see it appear on the slippy map! MikeCollinson 00:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I like this proposal. --Hawke 23:32, 11 June 2007 (BST)

Hear here! I'm already planning to put this into use soon myself, as Seattle has a monorail (tourist attraction). My vote would obviously be approve --Cohort 08:37, 13 June 2007 (BST)
  • how would that be different rom a railway=light_rail;layer=1? but yes, it makes sense... --spaetz 12:21, 13 June 2007 (BST)
As Monorails are a very distinct part of the landscape (good landmarks) and often of specific interest to tourists over general light railways, I'd prefer to see this as a seperate tag value. MikeCollinson 10:18, 16 June 2007 (BST)


old Votes

  • I approve this proposal. MikeCollinson 10:18, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --Cohort 10:29, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. DjeFr 10:40, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. Andrewnl 10:42, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --Deelkar (talk) 10:46, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --Thewinch 13:40, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --Ketti 15:35, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. Nikolaj 23:25, 16 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --spaetz 10:50, 17 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --inas 23:41, 17 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --Cdaller 23:22, 18 June 2007 (BST)
  • I approve this proposal. --Chris 17:43, 20 June 2007 (BST)

Only rendered at zoom level 18?

Is it intentional that monorails are only rendered at zoom level 18? In Shanghai there is a very important maglev train (see Wikipedia: Shanghai Maglev Train]) that is tagged as railway=monorail. When you open http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.15283&lon=121.80226&zoom=18 and zoom out to level 17, the maglev line is no longer displayed. --Head 01:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Farm monorails

Small farm monorails as used in Taiwan... mention how to tag. Jidanni (talk) 21:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Very interesting! The image search shows small platforms that are powered by a small lawnmower-size gasoline motor, traveling on a metal pipe that is slightly elevated above farmland. These seem to be used in very hilly areas. I think they should use a new tag. Maybe they are more like a type of good aerialway rather than a railway? The local term seems to translate as "Toothed monorail truck", but I can't find a wikipedia article about them in Chinese or English. --Jeisenbe (talk) 13:02, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=農業用單軌車 is what they are like. Jidanni (talk) 13:26, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
These are also called "Slope cars" or "monorack", both of which originated as brand names. (IMHO "monorack" is a very good generic name since it immediately conveys the sense of a combination of monorail and rack railway.) The Wikipedia page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slope_car. As far as I know they are used in Japan is extensive. Doppelmayr also makes them and their website says they have installed 650 systems, including on hilly vineyards.
Another widely uses system is the "banana field monorail" which is a suspended system running on a tensioned wire. These wouldn't be visible in a satellite image. see https://www.monorails.org/tMspages/banana.html Tjej (talk) 01:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Amusement parks?

Recently this line was added: "In amusement parks they are often a tourist attraction, but then they should be mapped as roller_coaster=track." - But previously the page correctly noted that some large amusement parks, like Disney World, contain monorails which are used for transportation, rather than as an amusement ride. I think this new text is confusing and incorrect, and we should go back to the previous version: "Monorails are often included as transportation within a bigger tourist attraction, for example a theme park (such as Disneyland), zoos, and so on" --Jeisenbe (talk) 07:07, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

"Monorails are often included as transportation within a bigger tourist attraction, for example a theme park (such as Disneyland), zoos, and so on" may be OK. But I think roller coasters that ride in a circle or in an eight are not one of them. Like this roller coaster. The tag railway has been added to get it render. It is a means of transportation and not just for pleasure.--geozeisig (talk) 14:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Maybe its just me but the tag "roller_coaster" for a monorail seems counter intuitive since they must propelled (electric, petrol, diesel, pedel power) and never rely on gravity. I'm new to OSM so I would accept the convention if it is pervasive but I think the small amusement ride monorails are closer to the category of a miniature railway. I would even recommend creating a new type called "mini monorail". I suggest having a look at the Wikipedia "List of monorail systems" page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monorail_systems) which has divided the main list into two categories Operational monorails - transit, people movers and Operational monorails - sightseeing, amusement park rides, zoo monorails. The classification has a few grey areas but for the most part I think it stands up. I have checked and all but two of the monorails listed have corresponding ways in OSM. Tjej (talk) 02:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Why is the ULTra Personal Rapid Transit at Heathrow a monorail?

(FWIW: I'm new to openstreetmap but know something about PRT systems.)

Why is the ULTra Personal Rapid Transit at Heathrow a "monorail"? It has rubber-tyred pods that runs on a roadway (concrete, asphalt, steel where elevated).

There doesn't seem to be consistency in general.

These have different guidance system but none have a single beam characteristic of a monorail. They are closer to guided buses which can be steered by a physical system or following an optical or magnetic path. Tjej (talk) 04:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Rubber-tyred metro, APM, AGT, etc have uncertain and varying tagging. This is likely done to forcefully show the rubber-tyred guideway and intermediate to low capacity characteristics. They should rather be railway=light_rail, which is still a very flexible term, as absurd as being used on Berlin S-Bahn. Currently railway=monorail is also abused for EDS maglev (originally started to be used on the more common EMS), viz the Chuo Shinkansen.
Comparing them to guided bus is "wrong", when they can't operate without guidance. The advantage of a guided bus is it can move on both roads and guideway, It is also debatable whether optical and magnetic guidance counts as a guideway.
---- Kovposch (talk) 09:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. So would I be okay to change the Heathrow PRT to railway=light_rail and remove its reference on this page?
Also: are the "uncertain and varying" tags left in place or is it in forums like this that consensus is sought? (Or do people make edits as they see fit and it is "fought out" on the maps, as can happen on Wikipedia?
FWIW. I only suggested "guided bus" as a category because a new generation of rubber-tyred automated public transport - like the ARRT in China (which also has a driver who can steer if necessary) - will use automated guidance will will run in both mixed traffic and exclusive right-of-ways following a "virtual guideway". There is a version of the ULTra pod adapted for use away from a guideway, with LIDAR. The Jacksonville Transport Authority has a plan to remove the monorail beam to be replace by a network of autonomous pods that will run on the elevated guideway and on routes into local streets.
Tjej (talk) 11:08, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
  1. Yes, in London you can see the Stansted Airport Transit System way 625563933 is railway=light_rail. Somehow Gatwick way 164507290 is also wrongly tagged railway=monorail. Let me help edit this page for you.
  2. All of the above, plus many possible reasons. I can think of an extra factor, that is rubber-tyred with central guide-rail may be seen as a "monorail" for some.
  3. True, ARRT is a guided bus only.
---- Kovposch (talk) 12:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
"Also: are the "uncertain and varying" tags left in place or is it in forums like this that consensus is sought? (Or do people make edits as they see fit and it is "fought out" on the maps, as can happen on Wikipedia?" - a mix of that. tagging mailing list has heavy traffic, other contact channels often cover tagging issues. See also ATYL and proposal process Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Two rails

The page should say clearly that no two or three railed trains are allowed to use this tag. Jidanni (talk) 16:10, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

It is already doing this "A monorail is a distinctive railway where the trains run on one single rail". Please, read page before requesting changes Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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