Talk:Tag:man made=drinking fountain

Proposal?

There is no requirement that a new tag must go through the proposal process. I documented this tag as I began using it, others may find it usefull to be more specific than 'amenity=drinking_water'. I think the status is indeterminate at this time. Warin61 (talk) 02:25, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

There is no requirement to have a proposal for a new tag to be used, but if you write documentation for a tag that isn’t established you should use the proposal template to make the status clear. FWIW, I don’t consider a more specific first level tag for drinking fountains useful, it will only make it more difficult for users to find drinking water, and there is already alternative tagging available which is used much more:

amenity=drinking_water with fountain=* and values like ‘bubbler’ or specific local types like ‘nasone’. I’d suggest you use those, and possibly add a new more specific type for the ones in your area, if needed. —Dieterdreist (talk) 13:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

What about drinking fountains with taps?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fontanella_Bolsena.jpg - is it man_made=water_tap or man_made=drinking_fountain ? In general how you deal with drinking fountains that have taps? This tag name seems highly misleading if it is just for subset of drinking fountains. See also https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4423#issuecomment-1260569267 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

It is amenity=drinking_water and fountain=drinking. If you want to add the fact that there is tap, add man_made=water_tap. The man_made=drinking_fountain tag can be deprecated. --Dieterdreist (talk) 11:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

man_made=bubbler or man_made=bubbler_drinking_fountain would be nice... But it may be too late and too pointless to propose it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

What's wrong with fountain=bubbler? Can be combined with amenity=drinking_water as well as with man_made=drinking_fountain. --Dieterdreist (talk) 21:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

fountain=* is a hodgepodge of tags describing style, function and form. With some describing even style specific to a single city Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

works for me, in particular that there are specific types which usually are limited to smaller areas but sometimes are deployed in hundreds (700+ nasone instances for example). Seen one, know all, very useful and concise. Feel free to put an ontology on top ;-) Have a second look on taginfo, there are not so many outliers and tag is still young, these things can be sorted out —Dieterdreist (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Deprecation

I plan to mark this tag as deprecated (without going through proposal)

There is an ongoing discussion on tagging mailing list at https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-October/thread.html#65730 , I notified all mappers who used it more than once ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/123693322#map=19/42.19111/-74.13396 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74026665#map=18/42.69600/9.45027 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/54476653#map=16/-33.7412/151.0838 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/119559409#map=19/40.78478/-89.36653 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/115408559#map=16/-44.7331/171.0563 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56469842#map=16/-27.2146/153.0237 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58709407#map=18/32.44760/34.90071 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69012564#map=17/50.11687/-122.95469 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/127030715#map=18/42.53875/-90.64799 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/70533604#map=17/37.61904/-122.38710 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90499853#map=16/41.2259/-85.8210 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116313905#map=17/44.87451/7.28744 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66510222#map=18/-20.26782/148.71940 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/55596215#map=13/-33.9030/151.1702 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/81849298#map=15/41.6838/-93.7200 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/83368835#map=19/38.25676/-85.68023 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/124324041#map=17/44.53116/-87.98084 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/67936696#map=19/53.28951/-6.12853 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/123330694#map=19/43.18773/3.00812 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/127149072#map=16/45.0897/6.6782 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/123166671#map=19/39.33866/-94.22194 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89793042#map=16/40.9520/-90.3822 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/99646848#map=18/42.78913/-86.10440 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/125705256#map=14/49.8604/-97.2198 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/106183254#map=15/44.5329/-89.5846 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/123464289#map=19/37.73971/-25.67201 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/92482550#map=16/41.2463/-8.6276 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116813398#map=14/43.3897/12.8148 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78256994#map=14/37.8416/13.4975 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/108213640#map=16/37.9152/-122.0247 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111264432#map=19/33.86455/-118.37782 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/72471312#map=18/39.53943/-76.08729 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/78704804#map=17/43.47179/-80.54180 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/125426729#map=17/38.88212/-9.09997 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/84882095#map=16/-34.0022/151.0717 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69772715#map=19/40.68011/14.75575 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121771827#map=15/46.2003/12.7660 ).

If there will be noticeable opposition to deprecation I will make a proposal Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:30, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I oppose depreciation. Replace with what? fountain=bubbler is not a main tag so must be combined with .. amenity=drinking_water. What of a drinking_fountain with a sign saying it is not drinking water? Yes such a thing exists. fountain=bubbler is a recent tag .. with low usage. It too could be confused by some with man_made=water_tap especially if they have confusion between man_made=drinking_fountain and man_made=water_tap. Warin61 (talk) 09:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

If something is both drinking fountain and water tap then both man_made=water_tap and fountain=bubbler can be applied. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

"What of a drinking_fountain with a sign saying it is not drinking water? Yes such a thing exists" - do you have a photo? Is this water actually drinkable? Is water being provided? And it can be tagged as fountain=bubbler drinking_water=no, with fountain=bubbler treated as main tag Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed features/Deprecate man made=drinking fountain now exists Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Bubbler? Sounds like British English. I bet nobody in North America has ever heard of that term. Ask Grandma in the park where the bubbler is and she probably thinks you're from Britain and you said the word bubbly which means liquor, at least on that television show... so people will think you're looking for a drink... a drink drink. :-) Jidanni (talk) 22:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

I've added 4 guidelines for the distinction: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain#Drinking_fountain_vs._water_tap Ecatmur (talk) 23:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Combined kids" fountain

Also do mention the case where a drinking fountain has a higher side for adults, and a lower side for kids. Jidanni (talk) 22:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Drinking fountain temporarily broken

Mention how to tag

• A drinking fountain for which repairs to make it work again are scheduled for next month, vs.
• A drinking fountain that all we know of is that it doesn't work.

In both cases the drinking fountain is still a valuable landmark. Jidanni (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Use lifecycle prefix disused:*=* for the former, and abandoned:*=* for the latter. --mnalis (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)