Talk:Tag:office=healthcare
This tag looks to me like a case of "lost in translation", someone looking up the English translation of the German "Büro" and intending it to be used for the parts of a workplace where clerical work / business administration is done. This ignores the fact, that both the German "Büro" and the English "office" have quite a few more meanings. In short, this tag should not be used IMHO, because it is not clear from the name what it is supposed to mean. Also, looking at the current usage number, this should be a proposal, not a tag page. --Lyx (talk) 15:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- I don't get the problem, an office is defined as "a room, set of rooms or building where people work, usually sitting at desks". How would you otherwise call it ? Please do so on the office page to differentiate it from other "working rooms" if you see clarification need. From which usage number a tag should be documented ? Where is the according documentation (please provide a link). I personally refer to "You can use any tags you like, but please document them here on the OpenStreetMap wiki, even if self-explanatory" and "When to create a proposal". rtfm Rtfm (talk) 16:55, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- I guess a better way to tag this would be something like room_use=office or something like that, specifying that this room is used for office work. The fact that it is the office for a healthcare facility is usually already made clear by the room being part of a larger healthcare facility. What you are doing here is redefining (i.e.changing) the meaning of the office key: up to now this is a key for a business, not for a room that's part of a business. An office=insurance is a "Versicherungsmakler" and not "Schreibstube in einer Versicherung". For healthcare providers we use the amenity key and not office, but even looking at normal language use the tag you suggest is confusing: A "doctors office" in German means "Arztpraxis", not the room in it where administrative tasks would be handled. I think avoiding this kind of confusion, and gathering ideas and knowledge of multiple participants to arrive at a better solution, is why tagging should be discussed, either in a Wiki proposal or in the tagging mailing list. --Lyx (talk) 17:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm in favor of avoiding confusion, but not so much on a small scale like this. The same "nesting" problem exists for a lot of tagging schemes. So it should first be defined what the general principles (of
Categorization) are, then the different tagging schemes being restructured. You still didn't mention how you'd differentiate an office (for "work") from a doctor's office (does he not work, got a desk and lots of bureaucracy to handle ?). To me, there's either an office, a company or something industrial (except of craft and shop). So, as mentioned above, please describe on the office page how to differentiate them. Feel free to first do a proposal if you feel the need. At least you should refine the wording, as I still didn't get the point. As you mentioned the mailing list: I don't respect this platform anymore since this "car shop" issue has been completely ignored which lead to a confusing bunch of senseless tags rtfm Rtfm (talk) 18:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm in favor of avoiding confusion, but not so much on a small scale like this. The same "nesting" problem exists for a lot of tagging schemes. So it should first be defined what the general principles (of
- I guess a better way to tag this would be something like room_use=office or something like that, specifying that this room is used for office work. The fact that it is the office for a healthcare facility is usually already made clear by the room being part of a larger healthcare facility. What you are doing here is redefining (i.e.changing) the meaning of the office key: up to now this is a key for a business, not for a room that's part of a business. An office=insurance is a "Versicherungsmakler" and not "Schreibstube in einer Versicherung". For healthcare providers we use the amenity key and not office, but even looking at normal language use the tag you suggest is confusing: A "doctors office" in German means "Arztpraxis", not the room in it where administrative tasks would be handled. I think avoiding this kind of confusion, and gathering ideas and knowledge of multiple participants to arrive at a better solution, is why tagging should be discussed, either in a Wiki proposal or in the tagging mailing list. --Lyx (talk) 17:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Page does not correctly show how office=healthcare is used, should be deprecated
The tag office=healthcare appears to be used for several different things, most of which have more common, well-used tags:
1) For a healthcare facility like a "doctor's office" (normally tagged amenity=doctors) or a clinic (amenity=clinic) or another healthcare service provider like a healthcare=physiotherapist. - e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7581110806 or https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7283203642
2) For a administrative office for a healthcare company which could be office=company + company=healthcare. E.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/533705572 or https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7841615771
3) For the office of a health service which provides services remotely, e.g. a home health agency or hospice / palliative care service, which sends nurses or other health providers to the house of a patient. E.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/292869347
4) Other companies tangentially related to healthcare, like this cleaning supply manufacturer: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5669703933 - see http://www.birsch.com/index.php - or this weight loss program: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7041041410
I recommend re-writing this page to reflect actual usage. I also recommend deprecating this tag since it is confusing and not consistently used, and has only been used a little over 100 times: https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22office%22%3D%22healthcare%22+global&R - all uses here: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/10iX --Jeisenbe (talk) 06:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)