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Please don't message me here, the wiki sucks. I'm usually on IRC instead.

List of relations: scrollbar needed

Hi Richard! I've almost mapped the entire Public Transportation System Lines in my Town, but now I'm facing the problem that there are too many relations. To say: the list is longer than my screen is high (1200px), so I'll need a scrollbar to go on.

And btw: alphabetical sorting would be nice. And in long lists, the highlighted item tends to be higher than the mouse is, the more I get to the bottom of the list.

Last but not least I would appraise a function to easily assign relations to ways, like a stamp function to select a relation, and every way that is selected gets that relation. Or something like that.

cheers, RalpH himself 22:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ralph: if you mean the tag/relations panel at the bottom of the screen, there is a (left-right) scrollbar - admittedly a fairly little one! Is that what you're looking for? --Richard 11:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Nope! I mean the list in the "Add way to an existing relation"-dialogue. This list is sometimes higher than the screen, and there is definately no scroll bar. Picture: [1] RalpH himself 18:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Eek. Right, I've got you. Not going to be too easy though. Could you file it as a ticket at (use your usual login) so I don't forget? --Richard 21:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
done. --RalpH himself 15:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Your old London map

Hi Richard. Someone's expressing interest in your old map scanning work: Talk:Out-of-copyright_maps -- Harry Wood 13:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: gathering data

Re: gathering data, you might be interested in -- Owhite - 13:12, 10 Jan 2006

East Cotswolds

Hi Richard. I've set up a page for the East_Cotswolds, fancy putting on where you've done / might do in future? -- Gagravarr 22:45, 3 Sep 2006 (BST)

Public Domain

I have added the PD-user template to my user page as well, and changed it to automatically set up a category containing all users who have this template on their user page. It's just the two of us right now but we'll get there eventually... --Frederik Ramm 15:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

different size potlatch editors

i do most of my osm mapping on a 23" monitor at 1920 x 1200, and potlatch occupies about a sixth of the screen. i would love to have something that could take advantage of the extra screen space (josm is not an option, work firewall breaks it), are you willing to build different size editors for those with big screens? Myfanwy 21:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Zoom bug in Potlatch

Richard, I can't access my email right now, so I'll use this channel. Something is wrong with the zoom of the Yahoo! imagery in the new version of Potlatch. I hope you can fix it. Otherwise you did a lot of great work. I don't see highway=service among the possible highway tags, but that's a minor nitpick. Polyglot 09:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that - memo to self: don't commit stuff just before Christmas. :) It's fixed now. Will look at highway=service when I'm back at my development machine. cheers --Richard 11:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

potlatch presets bug

Hey Richard, good work with potlatch :) As of 0.6c, whenever you use the pre-sets (either by mouse or keyboard), the attributes of the way/node won't update until you click off and then select it again. Perhaps this is related to the change to allow more attributes being displayed? --Brainwad 14:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops, yes, I spotted that this morning. Fixed now. Thanks! --Richard 15:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

colon troubles

The problem with colons is back :/ Again I assume it something to do with the change to how many tags you can see. --Brainwad 01:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a regression caused when SteveC moved some of the server code - hopefully he can sort it. --Richard 02:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Potlach 0.8b and waypoints

Hi. I see that 0.8b has reinstated showing waypoints from GPX tracks. It wasn't clear to me whether the problem was with the upload or the editing? I'm still not seeing my waypoints so will try re-loading the track, but can you clarify? Do waypoints need timestamps to show up?

The problem was that, in 0.8a, Potlatch got its start latitude and longitude from the first trackpoint in the GPX track. (This allows GPXs to be edited before they've been processed through the database.) Unfortunately, since waypoints are often in the GPX before the trackpoints, this meant Potlatch was trying to process them before it had a base lat/long, and therefore failing. As of 0.8b, Potlatch processes the waypoints after the trackpoints.
You shouldn't need to reupload, but if you're having problems, let me know the track ID and I'll look into it. --Richard 09:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Well there's a big backlog of uploads at the moment, but as we don't need to wait for the upload before editing now :-) I've had a go and I'm still not seeing the waypoints. The file is RochdaleCanal.gpx and I guess by the URL it has been given an ID of 99934. I waypointed all the locks and bridges I went through last week. Thanks hugely. --POHB 11:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks - I'll have a look. I notice that the track was produced by Garmin something-or-other - maybe it lays things out differently to GPSbabel (which is what it's tested on). Will get back to you asap (and how could I resist a track of the Rochdale?). :) --Richard 11:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I saw your message that you'd fixed it - just after I uploaded an edited file where I'd hacked a load of the Garmin guff out and moved the waypoints to the end. That one worked fine. --POHB 12:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

a small thank-you

Potlatch is great. Really, really great. Much better than I dared hope for when I first clicked on the "Edit" tab. Don't need to install anything, plus I can use it on any computer. Best of all, I can demonstrate editing OpenStreetMap on-the-spot to others. THANK YOU, THANK YOU and THANK YOU again! --Emexes 14:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Potlatch translation


I would like to help and I could translate the potlatch user interface to German. I am a German native spiker and I am working on internationalisation tasks in my job. Is there a language file? --Lulu-Ann 13:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I have finished the German translation as far as I could.

  • You are using the terms "point" and "node" in the English version.

I have read more "node" in the wiki. Maybe you want to decide to use only one word.

  • The same with "way" and "route" - Or is a route something different when we are talking about relations?
  • There is a sentence where you probably add a variable at the end. I have added %unknown% to the German text to point out where the variable goes.
  • What about the bug report mailing? Do you want "English preferred" or similar added to the other languages' texts?


  • Do you need an additional text for "choose language"?

--Lulu-Ann 16:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

help with gnash compatibility


Potlatch is awesome! Adobe's flash player for Linux however, is very not awesome. Gnash has a long way to go, but at least it doesn't crash Firefox all the time.

But I miss potlatch! So I've started hacking on gnash to get it to support potlatch.

Today I got the AMF encoding/decoding to the point that potlatch loads and displays streets in gnash... after about an hour... still some work to do there. I'm hoping over the next week or two I'll have time to get it to send multiple requests over the same connection and do multitasking properly.

So I'm writing to see how much you'd like to be involved with helping me achieve full compatibility between gnash and potlatch. I'm sure I could do it eventually by myself, but it'd be so much faster and more fun if I could chat with you along the way. If you'd like to be available to me even just for occational questions, please let me know! I've got a contact form at or you can find me on freenode (nick: JasonWoof). Thanks! -- JasonWoof 02:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Jason. There might be some information here WikiProject_FLOSS#Project_No_Flash . logictheo 12:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks logictheo, but... a lot has changed in two years. I've quit the gnash project because I couln't get along with the project leader over IRC. Before I left I was able to get potlatch working, though very slowly. Or at least potlatch loaded, I forget if we got saving to work. Hopefully other people are picking it up where I left off. I no longer have high hopes for gnash's success. I'm betting my hampster on HTML5 and the abolishment of software patents. -- JasonWoof 00:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Adlestrop Rail Atlas

Am I permitted to use this to confirm the station names, and status of lines when tracing older disused/abandoned lines from NPE/Seventh Series(as they become available)? ShakespeareFan00 10:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

translation to Brazilian Portuguese of Potlatch Messages

Hello Richard, my colleague Alan Tamer Vasques was so kind to provide a Brazilian Portuguese translation of the Potlatch messages. We put it in Pt-br:Potlatch/Translation because there is already an incomplete Portuguese translation page featuring apparently Portuguese of Portugal. We hope that the translations will be useful. Thanks for providing Potlatch! --Ulf Mehlig 21:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


Big thanks for the quick fixing of the relation adding bug within v0.10.
Additionally, I'd like to say the enhancement of the history dialog in v0.10b is a _very_ helpful feature saving a lot of mouse clicks. Great job! --HeikoE 08:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

change in xml causes mkgmap to bomb

The xml returned by wget'ing the osm from seems to have changed. There are single quotes surrounding the parms. There used to be double quotes. The osmcut java requires double quotes, so it bombs out with an invalid index error on line 144 of the Java source code. Here's how it used to be:

  <node id="26856937" timestamp="2008-07-24T10:35:24Z" lat="32.7953416" lon="-79.9385824">
    <tag k="created_by" v="YahooApplet 1.0"/>

Here's how it is now:

<node id='29561771' lat='34.7825807' lon='-82.4543862' user='sadam' osmxapi:users='sadam' timestamp='2007-05-24T20:06:35Z'>

I can think of 3 ways to fix this,

  • get to change back
  • change so it creates double quote parms
  • change osmcut to deal with either single of double

Or am I missing something obvious? is really only designed to cope with the XML from planet dumps; it doesn't make any attempt to parse it properly. I guess it would be possible to add an option to use a real XML library, rather than regexes, but that's not really my area of expertise I'm afraid - I loathe XML! Is there a particular reason you'd like to use an Information Freeway download rather than a planet file? --Richard 12:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Richard, I was using Information Freeway mainly from newbie ignorance and because I live at the intersection of 3 states in the United States and wanted a portion of each state. But I have no problem going with CloudMade or one of the other Planet extracts. Thanks Art (CyclingGreen)

lat/long resolution in Potlatch

Hi Richard, I just want to ask what is the resolution you are using for the latitude and longitude in Potlatch. According to Data Primitives, the latitude and longitude are stored to 7 decimal places, which translates to about 1 cm at the equator (if I computed correctly). But in Potlatch, I can't position nodes to that level of accuracy. I only get a resolution of around 5 meters or so. Thanks! --Seav 08:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Potlatch itself doesn't have any explicit limit on resolution: the limit is likely to be that of Flash's precision at the scale at which Potlatch works, and certainly that will be less precise than that available in the database. I've just experimented and I think I can get two nodes (within Oxfordshire, England) to within 0.00059km of each other - i.e. 59cm - though my calculations might be wrong. There is of course a minimum 'snap to pixel' so you may need to move a node a way away, then back, to get this level of precision. --Richard 09:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, when I'm in the maximum zoom in Potlatch, the nodes seem to snap to a grid having a 3-pixel spacing. Is this the "snap to pixel" thing you are talking about? --Seav 09:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, because Potlatch's "native" co-ordinates are calculated at zoom level 13; the co-ordinate system stays constant if you're zooming in or out, but the Flash movieclip for the map is enlarged/reduced accordingly. So I suspect when you get to zoom level 19, Flash is no longer able to discern a sub-3px difference due to the enlargement factor currently in operation; after all, you're effectively moving a tiny fraction of a zoom-13 pixel. --Richard 15:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Panel Image

Hi Richard, I have updated the previous panel image and put it on DE:Potlatch with German sub titles and the other translations (e.g. Potlatch) with hopefully correct English sub titles ;) If something changes I can relatively easily adopt it accordingly, I think. Best regards, --Krza 01:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Cycle map scripts

Hi, I used your scripts and instructions OSM Map On Garmin/Cycle map to create a cycle map for Scotland (gmapsupp.img) using this world extract. There is a 2.5km gap in one of the NCN routes that doesn't get rendered on my eTrex Vista. The relevant section is here. The non-rendered section is part of a continuous way that gets rendered on either side. Bug? Also, do you know of any way to view the generated gmapsupp.img under Linux? ChrisB 13:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

A link to the keyboard shortcuts

One common feedback i get from all my friends ive intriduces osm to so far is that they find the editor way to confusing and unusable. its not untill i give them a link Potlatch/Keyboard shortcuts that they can use it. there have been numerous instances of newcomers trying to play with potlatch, messing up and leaving without knowing how to undo or delete their changes. i think whats urgently needed is a help button in the editor which is visible at all times and not only the starting. it could popup list of shortcuts as well as links to the wiki --Planemad/Talk 05:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it'll be done soon. --Richard 09:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

wow, the new potlatch looks awesome. great work :) --Planemad/Talk 20:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

osm2ai & multipolygons

Hi, i tried to add transformation of multipolygon relations to illustrator's compound paths sorry i messed up your code, i'm not programmer, but it seems to be working [i hope]. --Platlas23 11:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

ehm, its added only to 'infile' part--Platlas23 18:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi Richard,

in your comment on the license violations to your last edit you wrote: "read the licence text, there is no requirement for an in-browser app that pulls down data on the fly to give attribution." I guess, as long as every browser has a print function your comment does not apply.

--Lulu-Ann 13:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. :) Strictly speaking there's still no need to give attribution. If the user chooses to print and give the copy to someone else, then the user is contravening the terms of the licence by distributing it without attribution - not the developer of the in-browser app. Of course, it's still good practice (and kind to OSM) to give the attribution and people should be encouraged to do so: but within the letter of CC-BY-SA, there's no compulsion to do so. (We've had this confirmed on the cc-discuss mailing list.) --Richard 14:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Your T-Shirt idea

Hi, I really like your T-Shirt idea. Do you have an SVG or other vector file of it? --Jorges 15:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Fish fingers

I like them four to a sandwich with lots of ketchup and, occasionally, cheese.

Now, does Richard's page really deserve to be a haddock? Jonathan Bennett 14:17, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Where did your Garmin cycle maps go?

The OSM Garmin download page points to but the garmin directory appears to no longer exist. ChrisB 20:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep, sorry, the dev server changed over and I haven't reuploaded them yet. Will do so when I get a chance. --Richard 20:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

relation warning in potlatch

Hello Richard,

many streets include points, that are members of a relation i.e. Relation:restriction, Tag:highway=bus_stop and many more. A User who does not know relations, moves or deletes that "useless" points without being aware, that he damages or destroys the relation. There is a useful feature in potlatch, that warns, if there is a double point at the same place. Is it possible to add a similar feature for points, that are member of a relation and pop up a warning message, if the user clicks this point? He should not move or delete that point, if he does not know, what a relation is or how this can harm the relation. I have to admit, that it also difficult for me, to keep the relations in mind every moment. -- Tirkon 17:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I can certainly add something that adds a prompt if you try to delete such a street, just as it does for tagged nodes. But please put it on trac as an enhancement, or I'll probably forget! cheers --Richard 18:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Done. Thank you for your answer. :-)

Is this a Potlatch Bug?

Hallo Richard, Please have a look to this map and the traffic light in the middle. Change to Potlatch an click the black spuare at the traffic light. Potlatch immediatly wants to begin a new way. This only happens to the black square, but not to red points. Is this a bug or a feature? -- Tirkon 21:17, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Potlatch always extends the current way (not starting a new one) when you click on the end point of a way. If you didn't want to extend it, just press Enter/Return to stop drawing. (Incidentally IRC is better for this sort of question, the wiki sucks. :) ) --Richard 21:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


I replied. Regards, logictheo 13:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

API 0.6 edit

You guessed wrong the editor in question was Merkaartor and the problem is a need to cli edit user preferences

Currently trying some "re-education" on IRC ;) --Richard 10:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

OSM nameservice

Hi Richard,

sorry it wasn't my aim to argue anybody by calling a development 'bad'. Unfortunatly I noticed that a lot of people say that nominatim results and their representation might get better. Long time ago I read that developers say they are unhappy with the codebase. Isn't that true? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 21:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

As someone who as worked with SQL databases for 20 years, I'd say a) Nominatim is extremely ambitious; b) it's quick; c) there is nothing wrong with the code base; d) any piece of namefinder technology which is miles better than Google for finding my home address has something going for it; and e) I'm sure if could do with more people working on its development, like every other bit of OSM.
The major problems with Nominatim are handling issues with tagging of places (nodes, ways etc), and the fact that this tagging is often wildly inconsistent, variable or just plain missing. This is not helped by people blaming Nominatim for, what are essentially, data issues.
The one feature which I think Nominatim could do with is fuzzy matching of names to cope with typos, spelling errors etc, but mainly we could do with more place name control reports (to find inconsistencies in mapping), and find a better way to tag a number of place elements (region, locality come to mind, but we have no good way of doing mountain ranges, nested named residential areas, valleys as in 'Wensleydale', 'Neandertal', 'Val di Susa'). Like a lot of OSM tools, using the tool properly helps improve the data. In the meantime remember GIGO. -- SK53 21:35, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your point of view. I'm sorry it seems to be a misunderstanding by myself. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 21:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

cyclenet- the dog's danglies

here's more praise for you Richard. having torn my hair out with overpriced and useless commercial (g**min) crap (notably Topo grr), CycleNet works really well. Many thanks from some south downs trail riders

Garmin cycle map

Hi, I was wondering if there are going to be any more regular updates of your garmin cycle map - last one appears to be 30/12/2010. Also, the "Find->Transportation" function on the Garmin doesn't show train stations with your map. It used to, maybe back in 2009, but at some point it stopped working. Do you know why? Is it something that would be easy to fix? ChrisB 18:42, 14 June 2011 (BST)

No scrapers

hi there Richard, I noticed you removed MOBAC from Trebuddy. Even if I understand your point in preventing endusers to slow down our map using tiles scraping apps, I added it after I scanned what tools are supported by MOBAC to make sure the users benefit as easy as possible by OSM material. So please re-add the hint again :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 21:01, 1 October 2011 (BST)

If the users benefit at the expense of our servers, that's an unsustainable situation. I would far rather users were directed towards solutions that the OSM servers can cope with. Do you know how much load MOBAC has put on our servers? As in, 30% at one point? --Richard 23:27, 1 October 2011 (BST)
As said I agree completely with you that MOBAC scraping is a problem, of course. Thus it's not a reason to "ban" it on the Wiki or to remove links towards the tool. Better would be to add a hint at the MOBAC wiki page and to point the authors of the tool once again. Removing the links yust confuese endusers and let them search longer, on how to use OSM offline. So please add it again, Richard. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 20:24, 2 October 2011 (BST)
Putting a link on the OSM wiki gives the suggestion that OSM endorses MOBAC (which it sure as heck doesn't). By removing the link (which is, don't forget, on a page about an unrelated program) there is less chance that people will find it, therefore less chance that our tile servers will be scraped to buggery and back. And if you think that the authors of scraper tools are willing to happily post whatever notices OSM requests of them... well, you obviously haven't dealt with many. --Richard 01:04, 3 October 2011 (BST)
I dont think so Richard. This will just result in a "WTF!?! How does I get this damned map into this fuckedup APP?!?" and that people will need more support. Using this link and the MOBAC wiki page gives us the opinion to show them a hint that this isn't a usefull procedure to get the maps. On the other hand offline-tiles-usage is a very common problem for low-budget Apps, so it's a bit up to us to solve this problem, too. So please add the link again. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 07:44, 3 October 2011 (BST)
(edit) /me gives up. Life is too short to argue with wikifiddlers. !i!, you have a lot of energy, I really wish you'd put it to something useful rather than putting your noses in areas where others know better than you. --Richard 10:30, 3 October 2011 (BST)
As me I don't like it if our project only cares about itself. But at this aspect my point is clear and till now nowbody showed me what the benefits of this way should be. But see, Firefishy has a very similar opinion and cleared MOBAC page completely. Dunno if this was a nice step :( Going to revert your changes but created a label to help you solving the problem a bit Template:KillsTileServers --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 19:45, 3 October 2011 (BST)
Feel free to add any ideas at the discussion right here: [2] --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 08:26, 7 October 2011 (BST)

Don't revert

Nuvola apps important.svg Please don't revert legitimate edits, such as you did to Copyright. Your action has been reverted. --BrandonSkyPimenta (TalkContribs) 03:30, 27 May 2012 (BST)

Thank you - P2@ "editing"

Hi Richard! Thanks for your edit at "editing". I guessed it (when doing some edits to this page), read it somewhere (that you plan to keep P2 active and as intermediate edior) but did not find it when I searched for it. Harry seems to have misunderstand that. Cheers --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 02:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

"track" description in Template:Map Features:highway

Hi Richard, since you made some of the listed edits you may be interested in Template_talk:Map_Features:highway#track:desc_change_docu_and_suggestion. … just in case you do not watch this page. --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 17:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi Richard, why did you delete so much information on shoulder tagging [[3]]? All description on left/right was removed from the wiki page - and this is in use several thousand times.

--Mueschel (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Not really deleting, just making it more concise by explaining in the 'Refinement' section that you can use normal tags suitably namespaced. If you want to add details back in I'd suggest you do it there. --Richard (talk) 13:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia users

Many thanks for this page. If it's reasonnably stable, I volunteer to translate and adapt it into french. Gall (talk) 13:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

routing programs will usually not be able to discern the central point

"You then weakened the statement and made it less impactful and harder to understand:"


"Note that routing programs will be guessing the central point for routing from/to a place if it is mapped solely as an area. It may result in poor results for asymmetric places where city center is not matching center of area."

somehow incorrect?

"Note that routing programs will usually not be able to discern the central point for routing from/to a place if it is mapped solely as an area."

was ignoring that cetroid (or other similar method) of an area will cause bad results only for highly asymmetric place areas (usually is too strong) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

-- Top of this page: "Please don't message me here, the wiki sucks. I'm usually on IRC instead." --Richard (talk) 17:59, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion IRC sucks and given that talk pages are a standard method to communicate on wiki... Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Sure. I generally don't use the wiki at all (I've made <50 edits in the last two years) so I can live without wiki users contacting me. --Richard (talk) 15:25, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


Is needed anymore for anything? If yes, what is its license? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

-- I have no idea why I uploaded that image 12 years ago so by all means delete it :) Richard (talk) 14:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for a quick answer, I applied {{Delete}} (it will be likely deleted in month or two) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:17, 4 March 2022 (UTC)