Proposed features/Tag:staff count:doctors

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Tag:staff_count:doctors
Status: Rejected (inactive)
Proposed by: mataharimhairi
Tagging: staff_count:doctors=*
Applies to: node area
Definition: Indicates the average daily number of doctors at a health facility
Drafted on: 2019-6-10
RFC start: 2019-6-17
Vote start: 2019-7-31
Vote end: 2019-8-14


Proposal

The tag staff_count:doctors=* is used to indicate the average daily number of doctors available at a health facility.

Rationale

The tag staff_count:doctors=* in use, but has not been formally proposed until now. The ability to be able to record how many staff members, particularly doctors and nurses were available at a health facility is extremely important in an emergency situation, where government officials, for example would want to identify a site that can handle the influx of a certain number of patients. Therefore the introduction of ‘staff_count:doctors’ and ‘staff_count:nurses’ is necessary for capturing this information.The use of ‘staff_count:doctors’ was initially proposed by Fabi2 as part of Healthcare 2.0. The Healthcare 2.0 wiki page put together by OSM user Fabi2 is very extensive and informative, but unfortunately the whole page has been listed as abandoned, so it was reviewed and tags were re-purposed where it made sense.


TagInfo, the Wiki and Tag History were used to try and find tags that might already be in use. And although there were some, non of these were ever formally proposed or accepted by the community. Therefore the conclusion to use staff_count:doctors=* was based on the use count of 822 derived from TagInfo and the gradual increase in its usage over time as found on Tag History. Both the information and the snap shots below were taken on June 14. It looks as though there was an initial bulk import in early 2015 but the use of the tag has steadily increased over time.


Doctor-count-tag-info.png


Doctor-count-tag-history.png



Applies to

  • Nodes
  • Areas
  • When considering nodes vs areas: generally, if an item is smaller than 5 m by 5 m, it would not be mapped as an area, but as a node.

Tagging

  • As a node: place a node at the center of the health facility. Map the facility with the following tags outlined in the useful combination section below, as well as the staff_count:doctors tag. Be sure to add a numerical indicator as to how many doctors generally work at the identified health site.
  • As an area: Map the building of the health facility. Tag the facility with the following tags outlined in the useful combination section below, as well as the staff_count:doctors tag. Be sure to add a numerical indicator as to how many doctors generally work at the identified health site.

Useful Combination

Examples

Rumirgo, Nigeria


Overpass-BO-doctors.png

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JUi


Osm-doctors-drc.png

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3677493591#map=19/10.58984/13.04239


Kyegegwa, Uganda

Overpass-uganda-doctors.png https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JUj


Osm-doctors-nurses-uganda.png

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6210374896#map=19/0.32668/31.08008

Features/Pages affected

External discussions

See the Global Healthsite Mapping Project wiki page for a full overview of the initiative and OSM data model developed for capturing key health facility information.

Comments

Please comment on the discussion page.


Voting

Voting closed

Voting on this proposal has been closed.

It was rejected with 0 votes for, 8 votes against and 0 abstentions.

Clearly rejected as a very bad idea


  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. Rational is for valuation of emergency capacity of patients. Bed count is far better to evaluate this, less likely to fluctuate and easier to obtain. --Warin61 (talk) 22:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. See Warin's argument above and discussion page. --Highflyer74 (talk) 04:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. See Warin's argument above, and lack of verifiability --Polarbear w (talk) 06:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. Warin's comment is good. It might be posssible to reword this proposal and clarify how mappers should verify the number of doctors at a facility, as I mentioned at the talk page. For example, mappers might more easily be able to find a list of every doctor that works at a clinic or at a facility, because this is often listed on a sign at the front of the building, rather than the average daily number. Please discuss this tag and staff_count:nurses again and see if you can re-write the proposal to improve it. Note also that you can use this tag even if it isn't approved. Thanks for trying. --Jeisenbe (talk) 07:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. - "average daily number of doctors" how mapper is supposed to verify it? See Verifiability#Statistical_properties "For example, the use frequency of a road in cars/hour is not a practically verifiable quantity, since determining it would require long-term observations which are not realistic for mappers to do." Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:44, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Also, you completely ignored comment on Talk:Proposed features/Tag:staff count:doctors - without even response to it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:46, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. I agree with several of the comments above. Hospital capacity might be better represented by bed-count. If a mapper wanted to record the number of staff/doctors/nurses, they could, perhaps inquire of the management how many Full Time Equivalent (FTE) they are officially allowed to have (or have decided to have). Recording the number of names on a board outside is likely to be inaccurate, as doctors often work in several hospitals and clinics each week --PeterPan99 (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. The opinions of other users regarding this vote reflect my opinion very well. It is better to indicate the number of beds rather than the number of employees working within the structure. Moreover, I do not know how much this data can actually be useful to those who go there for one or the other reason. --EneaSuper (talk) 08:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. for the reasons above and those stated by me on the tagging ML. —Dieterdreist (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. maybe works in a smal hospital, but how will you count the doctors/nurses in larger hospotals(UNI clinic)? will you go to the personal office to become the number of it? --Luschi (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Note - this voting was not closed but it ended already. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)