On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Drecycling&diff=next&oldid=1256921 you've added "location=underground for an underfloor-container" but according to location description, "location=underground Used where a feature is under ground, not visible on the surface." It doesn't match your use case, does it?
- Agreed, location=underground is not 100% correct for a recycling container that is (largely) under ground but everybody immediately understands what is meant and I see no better location value that is more correct. Do you have a better proposal? -- Emvee (talk) 17:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- location=semi_underground or location=semi_buried or location=half_buried or location=partly_buried, I don't mind (I'm not an English native speaker and http://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/search?query=semi-enterr%C3%A9 has all those proposals). Looking on my reference for translation - IATE (I must admit that I'm European too), gave only the French term back: http://iate.europa.eu/FindTermsByLilId.do?lilId=379661&langId=fr. Maybe using the Dutch term, you'll be more lucky.
- location=half_buried may be to precise. As location=underground exits, I would prefer location=semi_underground or location=partly_underground.
- It would be a new value for location, sure but IMHO it makes sense. If we go this path it has to be accepted and the wiki page should reflect the change.
- Like Nospam2005, I was a bit annoyed by the fact that it's not fully hidden. However, in Wallonia, these are referred to as "bulles à verre enterrées" (underground/buried containers) and they're actually hidden, save for the pipe. So I'm leaning toward the use of location=underground. The RedBurn (talk) 19:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- As can be seen on the Tercol website, the containers for which all the content (not the visible part) is underground are called "enterrés" (underground/buried) whereas those for which a part of the content is underground are called "semi-enterrés" (semi_underground/half_buried). So the distinction could be made if necessary. Anyway, in my opinion, recycling_type=underfloor-container (63 uses) should be replaced by recycling_type=container + location=underground (512 uses), or location=semi_underground/semi_buried/(...) where/if necessary. The RedBurn (talk) 19:45, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Now that I think about it, those that are half buried could just forego the use of location= since they are well visible on the outside (isn't it the point of the tag?). The RedBurn (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Absolutely, I was checking the two models (half buried and buried) as I received a modification notice on this page.
- So we may add on the location page that underground means that the main part is not visible giving those containers as example.
- For recycling_type=underfloor-container, the best is to drop a message to the few users to see if they agree. Currently I can't do that but as the users are in not English speaking country and the tag is not described, I'm pretty sure they meant position=underground.
- --Nospam2005 (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- The only reason I see why just underground is not good is that the Wiki currently has "not visible on the surface" with the location=underground description, if that was not there I think nobody would have "noticed", so maybe we should remove that. Everybody understands amenity=recycling + location=underground and for example amenity=parking + location=underground does not mean everything is underground.
- Are you OK with a wording like "Used where a feature is under ground, entirely or mostly not visible on the surface.".
- I think saying underground means underground doesn't help, "not visible from the surface" helps people not understanding the word underground to get it.
- --Nospam2005 (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)