Proposal:Emergency=disaster response
| The Feature Page for this approved proposal is located at Tag:emergency=disaster_response |
| emergency=disaster_response | |
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| Proposal status: | Approved (active) |
| Proposed by: | Polarbear_w, Os-emmer |
| Tagging: | emergency=disaster_response |
| Applies to: |  , 
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| Definition: | A station of a non-military organisation that has the main objective to help the civil population during and after natural or anthropogenic disasters by working in the affected area but does not have firefighting or medical service as their main competence |
| Statistics: |
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| Draft started: | 2020-12-29 |
| RFC start: | 2023-12-16 |
| Vote start: | 2024-01-04 |
| Vote end: | 2024-01-18 |
Proposal
Establish emergency=disaster_response as worldwide consistent tagging of disaster response service stations under the emergency=* key.
Migrate from tags
- that use a not internationally understood acronym: emergency=ses_station
- that do not use the
emergencykey: amenity=emergency_service, emergency_service=technical
Rationale
In some countries (e.g. Germany, Australia), there are dedicated organisations whose primary purpose is to aid the population during and after disasters. Currently there is no consistent scheme existing to tag these. While disaster response is organised differently in different countries, there are similar organisations in different countries that should be consistently tagged. As disaster response is a type of emergency service, it is logical to use the emergency=* key. Organisations that help in disasters but do not have disaster response as their primary purpose (e.g. police, fire bridage, medical services, military) are not affected. As disaster response is organised differently around the world the proposed tag will probably not be used in all countries, only in those that have such disaster response agencies as described on this page.
Examples
German example: Technisches Hilfswerk (THW)
Example German THW stations
These are the facilities of the THW that match the definition of emergency=disaster_response. They are called "Ortsverband" which translates to something like "local station".
local station in the city of Borna
local station in the city of Neumünster
local station in the city of Homberg
local station in the city of Hoya
Example German THW equipment and operations
members during practice
members during flood relief
off road vehicle
boat for relief in floods and on water
heavy duty crane truck
tools from the utility vehicle ("Gerätekraftwagen") being used
mobile floodlight ("Lichtmasten")
excavator teraing down burned building
temporary tent city ("Bereitstellungsraum 500") during big operation
Australian example: State Emergency Service (SES)
Example Australian SES stations
Liverpool, New South Wales
Gooloogong, New South Wales
Queanbeyan SES Headquarters, New South Wales
Combined WA SES, Volunteer Marine Rescue and Volunteer Fire and Rescue Brigade facility, Esperance, Western Australia
SES shed, Ravensthorpe, Western Australia
SES building, Bacchus Marsh, Victoria
Example Australian SES equipment and operations
Queensland SES vehicles, 1976
Queensland SES rescue vehicle and boat, 1976
New South Wales SES General-Purpose vehicle, 2020
New South Wales SES Medium rescue truck
New South Wales SES vehicles
South Australia SES emergency response vehicle, 2011
Western Australia SES emergency vehicle, 2001
Western Australia SES emergency vehicle, 2007
Victorian SES volunteers free a woman from the wreckage of her car, 2005
SES flood boats helping clear flood debris
SES volunteers assist at the Thredbo landslide of 1997
"Driver-Reviver" site being operated by NSW SES, 2016
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Tagging
How to map
Draw the shape of the facility. Add emergency=disaster_response along with other mandatory tags to it. If the size/shape of the facility is unknown place a node instead and add the same information to that node.
Mandatory tags
| Tag | Description |
|---|---|
| To map the facilities of those groups that provide immediate response to disasters such as floods, storms, black-outs etc | |
| The organisation that operates that station e.g. Queensland State Emergency Service | |
| The name of that groups station e.g. Scenic Rim SES or THW Ortsverband Ludwigshaven |
Similar Objects
This tagging style is similar to
| object | tag | status |
|---|---|---|
| fire station | amenity=fire_station | de facto |
| police station | amenity=police | de facto |
| mountain rescue | emergency=mountain_rescue | in use |
| water rescue | emergency=water_rescue | approved |
| lifeguard | emergency=lifeguard | approved |
Applies to
Definition
emergency=disaster_response applies to a station of a non-military organisation that has the main objective to help the civil population during and after natural or anthropogenic disasters by working in the affected area but does not have firefighting or medical service as their main competence. The place is used for storing and repairing equipment (hand tools, trucks, boats, safety gear, etc…), training the members (volunteers or paid ones) and doing administrative tasks. It is the place where the members start a mission after being alerted to an incident.
Examples for affected organisations
Organisations that are affected are:
- Australian State Emergency Services (SES)
- German Federal Agency for Technical Relief/Technisches Hilfswerk (THW)
- more organisations all around the world, probably including the Belgian Civil Protection
Examples for not affected organisaions
Not affected organisations that got discussed include:
- Austrian Zivilschutzverband
- German Bundesamt für Bevölkerungsschutz und Katastrophenhilfe (BBK)
- South Korean Central Disaster and Safety Countermeasures Headquarters (CDSCHQ)
But it was thought they do not fit the above-mentioned definition.
Features/Pages affected
Deprecated tags
The following tags will be deprecated:
emergency=ses_station (overpass query)
- Current usage:
- 586x in total
- 285x in Australia
- 229 in Italy
- 43x in Spain
- Reasons:
- "SES" is not an internationally understood abbreviation for disaster response.
- Exact meaning is unknown. Is it meant for the Australian SES only or also for organisations from other countries?
- Current usage:
amenity=emergency_service (overpass query)
- Current usage:
- 896x in total
- 801x in Germany
- Reasons:
- An "amenity=* is the top-level tag describing useful and important facilities for visitors and residents" (wiki). Disaster response organisations are not relevant/important in every day situations, only in emergency situations.
- Disaster response is an emergency service. The emergency=* key is more accurate than amenity=*.
- Current usage:
emergency_service=technical (overpass query)
- Current usage:
- 814x in total
- 800x in Germany
- Reasons:
- Exact meaning is unknown. Is it meant for the German THW only or also for organisations from other countries? De facto it is nearly a synonym for operator=Bundesanstalt Technisches Hilfswerk (THW).
- Current usage:
Wiki pages
All language versions of all wiki pages for the deprecated tags will be set to "Status: deprecated".
The wiki page emergency=disaster_response, that is currently just some links grouped under "See also" will be filled with the information from this proposal. It will include the definition and how to map a facility of a disaster response organisation.
ID-Editor
A request to implement the editing/adding of emergency=disaster_response to the iD editor will be created.
Rendering
As there is currently little usage of the tag emergency=disaster_response yet, it is too early to consider rendering it in the OSM Carto style. Once the tag gets used and adopted by the community, a request for rendering it there may get discussed.
Future plans
To keep it simple this proposal is limited to introduce emergency=disaster_response as an equivalent to amenity=police, amenity=fire_station or emergency=water_rescue. During discussion in the forum post the idea for a more detailed tagging scheme started. The idea is to also map things like warehouses, academies or training areas of disaster response organisations. Possible tags could be disaster_response=depot/academy/training_area/..., emergency_service=* or disaster_response_service=*. Currently we don't know about enough different organisations that could benefit from this tagging scheme, so introducing a worldwide tagging scheme for this is not useful/possible. At some point in the future, after emergency=disaster_response is approved and adopted, an analysis of the use of emergency=disaster_response could help in developing an adequate detailed tagging scheme.
External discussions
- tagging list discussion in April 2017
- tagging list Dec 2020
- forum discussion starting in 2023
- [RFC] Feature Proposal - emergency=disaster_response
- Announcement of Proposal in German forum
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I approve this proposal. --Os-emmer (talk) 16:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)- I approve this proposal. --Mcliquid (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Seichter (talk) 16:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --JeroenHoek (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Atarom (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Osmuser63783 (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Kai M. Poppe (talk) 18:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --KoiAndBlueBird (talk) 19:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. -- Something B (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Fizzie41 (talk) 21:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Umeier (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Good proposal to unify tagging. --Riiga (talk) 22:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Emilius123 (talk) 23:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
I oppose this proposal. The definition is too restrictive. Certain SES units primarily exist to responed to road accidents. Possibly a secondary tag disaster_response=* to detail the disasters catered to? --Warin61 (talk) 06:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Warin61, disaster_response=* is already mentioned under "Future Plans" and of course it is always possible to introduce subtagging once a main tag has been agreed upon. --Polarbear w (talk) 12:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Vincentius (talk) 07:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --OSMRogerWilco (talk) 08:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. and thanks Os-emmer to continue the work here. --Polarbear w (talk) 12:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Kjon (talk) 12:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Chris2map (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --InsertUser (talk) 19:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Neo Hornberger (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Danysan (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --501ghost (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Mannivu (talk) 12:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Martin minheim (talk) 14:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Why limit it to non-military stations? In France, these are military stations and this tag fits the situation well. The operator tag can be used to distinguish between cases. --Gendy54 See Militaires de la sécurité civile (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- In Germany, for example, the Bundeswehr (national military force) sometimes helps in long-lasting disasters, but not as a direct response. I think the intention was to exclude tagging the national military completely as disaster responders. If the French military has dedicated stations for this purpose, of course those could be tagged accordingly. --Polarbear w (talk) 18:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Supaplex030 (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Lucadelu (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Hike&Map (talk) 03:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --This tag is long overdue. Thanks for proposing it. GOwin (talk) 03:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --scai (talk) 08:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --CaldeiraG (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --HellMap (talk) 12:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. –Gymate (talk) 15:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Reinhard12 (talk) 18:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. I'm fine with the existing tags --chris66 (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)- I approve this proposal. --Thetornado76 (talk) 17:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Rempshaener (talk) 21:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Alesarrett (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --EneaSuper (talk) 09:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Damianeue (talk) 09:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Arcanma (talk) 11:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Mfortini (talk) 12:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC) Very useful also in Italy for Italian Protezione Civile
- I approve this proposal. --NLBRT (talk) 12:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. Whilst it might make sense for Australia or other places that have this infrastructure, we'll no doubt see these "local" tags appear in error elsewhere, like the previous attempt did at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/484207497 SomeoneElse (talk) 12:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Very useful also for the Italian "Protezione Civile" (see wiki:en) --DnaX (talk) 18:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --HAmap (talk) 18:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --ChildishGiant (talk) 00:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Voting on this proposal has been closed.
It was approved with 45 votes for, 1 vote against and 2 abstentions.