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I recommend to use the classification of "annual traffic census" to map into OSM keys

trunk for UT (urban trunk) even if it no longer belongs to a route (e.g. Gloucester Road)

primary for PD (primary distributor)

secondary for DD (district distributor)

tertiary for LD (local distributor)

either primary or secondary for RR (rural road) depending on if it has been improved.

--Miklcct (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

This is not a correct appreciation of the classification. It serves a planning function, mainly for deciding the road standard to be constructed to. It doesn't neccessarily reflect current use, especially in history. ---- Kovposch (talk) 21:00, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Historic note: For reference, I will list out some contradictions. In general, L is the worst, because it's used for the lowest standard across the broad, without regards to its function. It can cover highway=residential , highway=unclassified , or teritary=* . From official definition, an Expressway may be formed from Trunk or Primary Distributor. UT is usually used for Tunnel Area, while tunnels in the middle of Expressway are usually EX. Slip roads are demoted, eg highway=motorway_link are UT or RT.
HKI:
2022,1010. Wong Chuk Hang Rd: PD highway=trunk
0000. King's Rd: PD highway=secondary
0000. Shau Kei Wan Rd: PD highway=secondary
1446. IEC: DD highway=trunk
1801. Victoria Park Rd: UT highway=primary
2216. Rumsey St Flyover: PD highway=primary (was highway=trunk + ref=4
1208,1409. Connaught Rd C (including Pedder St Underpass): PD highway=primary (was highway=trunk + ref=4 ; 1030 to the east is UT)
1837. Connaught Rd W: DD highway=primary
2217. Lung Wo Rd: PD highway=secondary
0000. Garden Rd / Cotton Tree Dr: PD highway=secondary
0000. Hennessy Rd: PD highway=secondary
0000. Johnston Rd: DD highway=tertiary
0000. Queensway: PD highway=secondary
2213. Kennedy Rd: DD highway=tertiary
0000. Yee Wo St: PD highway=secondary
0000. Causeway Rd: PD highway=secondary
1212. Irving St, Pennington St: PD highway=secondary
Kowloon:
3003,3805. Prince Edward Rd E: UT highway=primary
3012,3439,3440,3833,4030,3442,3834. Kwun Tong Rd: PD highway=trunk
3644. Lei Yue Mun Rd: PD highway=trunk
3874,3686. Wai Yip St: DD highway=primary
3681,3869,4069.3274. Kai Cheung Rd: DD highway=primary (but is colored yellow as "main road")
3027,3641. Lung Cheung Rd: PD highway=primary
3212,4208. Chatham Rd N: PD highway=trunk
4006. Chatham Rd S: PD highway=trunk
4221. Hung Hom Bypass: EX highway=primary
3498. Kln Park Dr: DD highway=primary
3025,3026,3712,3304,3298. Lin Cheung Rd: UT highway=primary
3024,4092,3503,3707,. W Kln Hwy: UT highway=motorway
NT:
5703. Tsing Kwai Hwy: UT highway=motorway (5093 to the north is EX)
6219. Kwai Tsing Rd: DD highway=primary
6221. Tsing Yi N Coastal Rd: DD highway=primary
5018. Tsing Chuen Rd: DD highway=primary
NWNT:
5019. Castle Peak Rd Yuen Long: RT highway=primary
6213. Castle Peak Rd HSK: RT highway=primary
5252. Castle Peak Rd Ping Shan: RT highway=primary
5846. Tsing Tin Rd: DD highway=primary
5889. Hung Tin Rd: DD highway=primary
5284. Tin Ying Rd: DD highway=primary
5287,6080. Tin Tsz Rd: DD highway=primary
NENT:
5498,5290. Sha Lek Hwy: UT highway=motorway
5892,6088. Tate's Cairn Hwy: UT highway=motorway
6009,5813. Siu Lek Yuen Rd: PD highway=secondary (also not colored yellow as a "main road")
5819,5620,5419. Tai Po Rd Shatin: PD highway=trunk
5414. Yuen Wo Rd: PD highway=secondary
5214. Tai Po Rd Tai Wai: PD highway=secondary
5417.5617. Mei Tin Rd: PD highway=secondary
5448. Tsuen Nam Rd, Chik Fuk St, Shing Ho Rd: DD highway=tertiary
5692. Ma On Shan Rd: RT highway=motorway
5913. Ma On Shan Rd: RT highway=primary
5005. Ma On Shan Rd: PD highway=secondary
5683,5281. Sai Sha Rd: DD highway=secondary (Sha Tin New Town P8, D16; corrected from highway=primary )
5708. Ma On Shan Bypass: RT highway=primary (Sha Tin New Town T7)
5915. Sai Sha Rd: RT highway=secondary (corrected from highway=primary )
6057. Yuen Shin Rd: PD highway=motorway_link (not UT)
—— Kovposch (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Recommended to use the motorway tag only for legal expressways.

According to the laws of Hong Kong, tunnels and tunnel control areas do not belong to a separate expressway system, and their status is comparable to that of ordinary route line sections. Although it can be understood that the current situation is that some tunnel control areas are not part of the route line, can it be regarded as "ref-free route lines", then use trunk, and use motorroad tags?--StarBG (talk) 04:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

适用于第374Q章 《道路交通(快速公路)規例》之道路范围。 Applicable to the road area of the Cap. 374Q Road Traffic (Expressway) Regulations.

快速公路/Expressway
參照/Reference：《交通通告 快速公路界限的決定及劃定》/Traffic Advice Determination and Delineation of Boundaries of Expressways
編號/编号 Number		道路	Road	由	From	到	To	关系/關係 Relation			注 note
								主 main	上行/遞增方向 Increasing direction	下行/遞減方向 Decreasing direction
	1	沙田路	Sha Tin Road	獅子山隧道公路/Lion Rock Tunnel Road； 出/Exit 11A		大埔公路-沙田段/Tai Po Road - Sha Tin section
		沙瀝公路	Sha Lek Highway	沙田路/Sha Tin Road		大老山公路/Tateʼs Cairn Highway； 大老山隧道/Tate's Cairn Tunnel
	2	觀塘繞道	Kwun Tong Bypass	鯉魚門道/Lei Yue Mun Road； 出/Exit 2A		大老山隧道/Tate's Cairn Tunnel； 出/Exit 3
		大老山公路	Tateʼs Cairn Highway	大老山隧道/Tate's Cairn Tunnel； 沙瀝公路/Sha Lek Highway； 出/Exit 5		馬鞍山路/Ma On Shan Road； 馬鞍山路/Ma On Shan Road
	3	西九龍公路	West Kowloon Highway	西區海底隧道/Western Harbour Crossing； 油麻地交匯處/Yau Ma Tei Interchange； 出/Exit 2		青葵公路/Tsing Kwai Highway； 青沙公路/Tsing Sha Highway； 出/Exit 3
		青葵公路	Tsing Kwai Highway	西九龍公路/West Kowloon Highway； 青沙公路/Tsing Sha Highway； 出/Exit 3		長青公路/Cheung Tsing Highway
		長青公路	Cheung Tsing Highway	青葵公路/Tsing Kwai Highway		青朗公路/Tsing Long Highway
		青朗公路	Tsing Long Highway	長青公路/Cheung Tsing Highway		大欖隧道/Tai Lam Tunnel
				大欖隧道/Tai Lam Tunnel		元朗公路/Yuen Long Highway； 新田公路/San Tin Highway
	4	東區走廊	Island Eastern Corridor	東區走廊/Island Eastern Corridor； 永泰道/Wing Tai Road； 出/Exit 2		中環灣仔隧道/Central-Wan Chai Bypass； 東區走廊/Island Eastern Corridor； 出/Exit 6B
				東區走廊/Island Eastern Corridor		維園道	Victoria Park Road
	5	荃灣路	Tsuen Wan Road	葵涌道/Kwai Chung Road； 出/Exit 9C		屯門公路/Tuen Mun Road；
	8	青沙公路	Tsing Sha Highway	尖山隧道/Eagle's Nest Tunnel		南灣隧道/Nam Wan Tunnel
				南灣隧道/Nam Wan Tunnel		長青公路/Cheung Tsing Highway； 出/Exit 4B
		長青公路	Cheung Tsing Highway	青沙公路/Tsing Sha Highway； 青葵公路/Tsing Kwai Highway		青朗公路/Tsing Long Highway； 青嶼幹線/Lantau Link
		青嶼幹線	Lantau Link	長青公路/Cheung Tsing Highway； 出/Exit 4B		青嶼幹線收費廣場	Lantau Toll Plaza
		北大嶼山公路	North Lantau Highway	青嶼幹線收費廣場	Lantau Toll Plaza	機場路/Airport Road； 東涌東交匯處/Tung Chung Eastern Interchange； 出/Exit 6C
		馬灣路	Ma Wan Road	青嶼幹線/Lantau Link		馬灣	Ma Wan
		竹篙灣公路	Penny's Bay Highway	北大嶼山公路/North Lantau Highway		神奇道	Magic Road
	9	大埔公路-沙田段	Tai Po Road - Sha Tin section	大埔公路-沙田段/Tai Po Road - Sha Tin section； 和輋邨/Wo Che Estate； 出/Exit 2A		吐露港公路/Tolo Highway； 大埔公路-沙田段/Tai Po Road - Sha Tin section； 出/Exit 3
		吐露港公路	Tolo Highway	大埔公路-沙田段/Tai Po Road - Sha Tin section； 馬場/Race Course； 出/Exit 3		粉嶺公路/Fanling Highway； 大埔太和路/Tai Po Tai Wo Road； 出/Exit 6
		粉嶺公路	Fanling Highway	吐露港公路/Tolo Highway； 大埔太和路/Tai Po Tai Wo Road； 出/Exit 6		新田公路/San Tin Highway； 新田交匯處/San Tin Interchange； 出/Exit 10
		新田公路	San Tin Highway	新田公路/San Tin Highway； 新田交匯處/San Tin Interchange； 出/Exit 10		元朗公路/Yuen Long Highway； 青朗公路/Tsing Long Highway； 出/Exit 12
		元朗公路	Yuen Long Highway	新田公路/San Tin Highway； 青朗公路/Tsing Long Highway； 出/Exit 12		屯門公路/Tuen Mun Road； 藍地交匯處/Lam Tei Interchange；出/Exit 17
		屯門公路	Tuen Mun Road	屯門公路/Tuen Mun Road； 皇珠路/Wong Chu Road； 出/Exit 21		荃灣路/Tsuen Wan Road
		大埔太和路	Tai Po Tai Wo Road	吐露港公路/Tolo Highway		寶雅路	Po Nga Road
		完善路	Yuen Shin Road	吐露港公路/Tolo Highway		大埔太和路	Tai Po Tai Wo Road
	10	深圳灣公路大橋	Shenzhen Bay Bridge	深圳灣口岸	Shenzhen Bay Port	港深西部公路/Kong Sham Western Highway
		港深西部公路	Kong Sham Western Highway	深圳灣公路大橋/Shenzhen Bay Bridge		元朗公路/Yuen Long Highway
		港珠澳大橋香港連接路	Hong Kong- Zhuhai-Macao Bridge - Hong Kong Link Road	香港特別行政區邊界/Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Boundary； 广东省珠海市；		觀景山隧道/Scenic Hill Tunnel
				觀景山隧道/Scenic Hill Tunnel		香港口岸	Hong Kong Port

@StarBG: Can you please don't edit others' proposals?
—— Kovposch (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Vehicular roads

	Existing		Proposed
highway=*	描述 Description	例子 Examples	Description
motorway	法定快速公路、 法定行車隧道及隧道管制區 Designated expressways, designated road tunnels and tunnel areas . 連接快速公路的支路而有路牌生效的範圍則必須以highway=motorway_link表示。 Slip roads connecting to expressways with effect by road sign must be tagged with highway=motorway_link.	東區走廊 Island East Corridor 東九龍走廊 East Kowloon Corridor 啟德隧道 Kai Tak Tunnel	asdsaddas
trunk	不屬上述motorway描述之「香港幹線編號系統」路段 Road sections that belongs to the "Hong Kong Strategic Route Number System" that are not the above motorway description	龍翔道 Lung Cheung Road 干諾道西天橋 Connaught Road West Flyover 窩打老道（公主道 – 龍翔道） Waterloo road (Princess Margaret Road – Lung Cheung Road)	不屬上述motorway描述之「香港幹線編號系統」路段及法定行車隧道及隧道管制區(包含屯門至赤鱲角連接路北面連接路、香園圍公路)。法定行車隧道及隧道管制區必須附帶標註motorroad=yes 。Road sections that belongs to the "Hong Kong Strategic Route Number System" that are not the above motorway description, and designated road tunnels and tunnel areas (Including Tuen Mun–Chek Lap Kok Link, Heung Yuen Wai Highway). designated road tunnels and tunnel areas must be tagged with motorroad=yes.
primary	不屬於指定幹線唯有幹線重要性及跨區交通功能路段，亦包括連接較高規格道路（如高速公路）及一般街道的集散道路。 Road sections that do not belong to any routes but have the importance and characteristics of a trunk route for cross-district traffic, and also distributor roads connecting higher-performance roads (e.g. motorways) and ordinary streets. 以前屬幹線公路後來被剔出的道路，以及第一代幹線編號系統中的區域幹道（未被新建道路取代者），一般應屬primary。 Roads that were parts of trunk routes but removed later, and the regional routes in 1st generation route numbering system (which haven't been replaced by new roads yet), should normally be primary. 經擴闊及改善的郊區主幹道，可容納較高車流量者，亦可視作primary。 Rural routes which have been widened and improved, with the ability to carry larger amount of traffic, can also be considered primary.	薄扶林道 Pok Fu Lam Road 太子道東 Prince Edward Road East 亞皆老街 Argyle Street 馬鞍山繞道 Ma On Shan Bypass	asdsdaasd
secondary	一般市區主要街道及主要郊區道路。 Ordinary major streets of urban areas and major rural roads.	德輔道中 Des Voeux Road Central 欽州街 Yen Chow Street 錦田公路 Kam Tin Road	asdadssad
tertiary	一般出入社區的街道。 Ordinary streets for accessing neighbourhoods.	廣東道（尖沙咀） Canton Road (Tsim Sha Tsui) 安秀道 On Sau Road	asdsadas
unclassified	最低級的公共道路，其路況極差。 Public roads of lowest grades, with extremely bad road quality.	安達臣道 Anderson Road 深灣路 Deep Bay Road	adssadad
residential	民居旁的街道，一般只用以通往其物業。 Streets alongside residential areas, normally used only for accessing the property.	飛鵝山道 Fei Ngo Shan Road	asdasasd
living_street	設有行人優先路牌的街道。 Streets with pedestrian legal right-of-way. File:Hong Kong road sign 111.gif		asdasasdd
pedestrian	行人專用道路。 Pedestrian-only streets.		adsdsa
service	可行車的小路（包括沒有命名的屋苑通道，村路，私家路，總站車坑）。 Minor roadways for vehicles (e.g. unamed access roads within estates / villages, private roads, lanes in transit terminals)		dsasda
track	可行四輪車的非道路 Non-roads passable by 4-wheelers.		saddsasd

As I reiterated, Discovery Bay Tunnel, and Shun Long Rd, are Tunnel Area. They aren't highway=trunk , so your definition doesn't work. In fact, the lower deck of Lantau Link is Tunnel Area as well. — Kovposch (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal B

Talk:Hong Kong/Transport/Road/Proposal B
—— Kovposch (talk) 12:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal C

此部分針對討論關於次要道路及其他相關雜項。 This section focuses on classifications on minor roads and other assorted items.

Vehicular roads

	Existing		Proposed
highway=*	描述 Description	例子 Examples	Description
motorway	法定快速公路、 法定行車隧道及隧道管制區 Designated expressways, designated road tunnels and tunnel areas . 連接快速公路的支路而有路牌生效的範圍則必須以highway=motorway_link表示。 Slip roads connecting to expressways with effect by road sign must be tagged with highway=motorway_link.	東區走廊 Island East Corridor 東九龍走廊 East Kowloon Corridor 啟德隧道 Kai Tak Tunnel	asdsaddas
trunk	不屬上述motorway描述之「香港幹線編號系統」路段 Road sections that belongs to the "Hong Kong Strategic Route Number System" that are not the above motorway description	龍翔道 Lung Cheung Road 干諾道西天橋 Connaught Road West Flyover 窩打老道（公主道 – 龍翔道） Waterloo road (Princess Margaret Road – Lung Cheung Road)	asddasads
primary	不屬於指定幹線唯有幹線重要性及跨區交通功能路段，亦包括連接較高規格道路（如高速公路）及一般街道的集散道路。 Road sections that do not belong to any routes but have the importance and characteristics of a trunk route for cross-district traffic, and also distributor roads connecting higher-performance roads (e.g. motorways) and ordinary streets. 以前屬幹線公路後來被剔出的道路，以及第一代幹線編號系統中的區域幹道（未被新建道路取代者），一般應屬primary。 Roads that were parts of trunk routes but removed later, and the regional routes in 1st generation route numbering system (which haven't been replaced by new roads yet), should normally be primary. 經擴闊及改善的郊區主幹道，可容納較高車流量者，亦可視作primary。 Rural routes which have been widened and improved, with the ability to carry larger amount of traffic, can also be considered primary.	薄扶林道 Pok Fu Lam Road 太子道東 Prince Edward Road East 亞皆老街 Argyle Street 馬鞍山繞道 Ma On Shan Bypass	asdsdaasd
secondary	一般市區主要街道及主要郊區道路。 Ordinary major streets of urban areas and major rural roads.	德輔道中 Des Voeux Road Central 欽州街 Yen Chow Street 錦田公路 Kam Tin Road	asdadssad
tertiary	一般出入社區的街道。 Ordinary streets for accessing neighbourhoods.	廣東道（尖沙咀） Canton Road (Tsim Sha Tsui) 安秀道 On Sau Road	A tertiary road may be one of the following: Provides the most important access to a local neighbourhood: 廣播道 Broadcast Drive: allows access to "廣播山 Broadcast Hill" i.e. RTHK and other nearby residential buildings 白雲街 Pak Wan Street: allows access to 白田邨 Pak Tin Estate 錦綉花園大道 Fairview Park Boulevard: allows access to 錦綉花園 Fairview Garden Connects rural neighbourhoods to a town centre or to each other: 大棠路 Tai Tong Road: Tai Tong <-> Yuen Long Provides significant shortcut between secondary roads: asdfasdf Has important road network purpose but are "unimportant" by themselves: Alternative routes for no-right-turn junctions Sham Shui Po: from Cheung Sha Wan Road (southbound) to Yen Chow Street (southbound), requires Kiu Kang Street, then Fuk Wa Street Sham Shui Po: "legacy" local roads of West Kowloon Corridor are Tung Chau Street and Tai Kok Tsui Road
unclassified	最低級的公共道路，其路況極差。 Public roads of lowest grades, with extremely bad road quality.	安達臣道 Anderson Road 深灣路 Deep Bay Road	Roads that cannot be classified into any other road classes should be classified as unclassified. Road conditions may be poor (e.g. in rural areas), but that is not a hard requirement. These roads are generally unremarkable. 西菁街 Sai Ching Street: in Yuen Long 恆輝街 Hang Fai Street: in Ma On Shan 謝斐道 Jaffe Road: in Wan Chai
residential	民居旁的街道，一般只用以通往其物業。 Streets alongside residential areas, normally used only for accessing the property.	飛鵝山道 Fei Ngo Shan Road	Within the same residential development (e.g., the same housing estate), roads that provide access to individual buildings. This distinguishes from general technical roads classified as service. These roads may not be necessarily gated. 得寶街 Tak Po Street: inside City One Shatin 黃菊路 Wong Kuk Avenue: inside Choi Hung Estate w135995874: inside Yu Chui Court
living_street	設有行人優先路牌的街道。 Streets with pedestrian legal right-of-way. File:Hong Kong road sign 111.gif		asdasasdd
pedestrian	行人專用道路。 Pedestrian-only streets.		adsdsa
service	可行車的小路（包括沒有命名的屋苑通道，村路，私家路，總站車坑）。 Minor roadways for vehicles (e.g. unamed access roads within estates / villages, private roads, lanes in transit terminals)		Roads that allow technical maneuvers. May also be roads that provide access to individual buildings within the same non-residential development. 巴士總站車坑 Bus bays inside bus termini 特制路邊巴士站車坑 Dedicated road-side bus bays; e.g., 大埔尾 Tai Po Mei 油站通道 Car paths inside petrol stations 停車場通道 Car paths inside car parks 大學道 University Avenue: inside CUHK
track	可行四輪車的非道路 Non-roads passable by 4-wheelers.		saddsasd

--Vectorial8192 (talk) 14:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

My notes on your examples for how they are reasoned by myself now:

• highway=tertiary
  • Pak Wan St highway=residential : Ddn't promote it yet, as it is a arcing"loop" serving the Estate only, and I haven't promoted other roads around it to greater than highway=unclassified (Tai Hang Sai St)

—— Kovposch (talk) 16:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)