Talk:Key:memorial
Discuss Key:memorial here:
Function OR Construction/Material?
Looks to be different things being tagged here;
the function e.g. 'war memorial'
the construction/material e.g. plaque
These should have separate tags!
I would suggest using the same tags as artwork_type .. possibly with some additions to tag the construction/material. In order to reduce confusion with these tags make the tag memorial_type? And then add the tag memorial_function? And then duplicate these for monument. This would make for at least some consistency to the tags. Warin61 (talk) 23:51, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- The page documents actual usage. When I created the page, I took the top values from taginfo. They had not originated from some broken editor template, but from consideration by various users. That makes the high usage numbers a good indication that the tags are reasonable.
- War memorials, at least those in Central Europe, do not only serve a special function, they are also physically distinctive, with plaques listing the died soldiers of that village, surrounded by some artwork like an eagle, a helmet, or a small group of men in arms. Do a Google images search for "kriegerdenkmal" to find out more. They are abundant in large parts of Europe because so many soldiers died in each of the two world wars.
- You can combine historic=memorial + memorial=* with tourism=artwork and its subtags. No need to duplicate tags into a new key. It is also possible to draw an area for the memorial and make nodes for the individual artworks it consists of.
- --Fkv (talk) 05:50, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Some war memorials are simple plaques, others are statues. These multiple values present multiple different ways of tagging the same object. I would think a more structured approach will result simpler mapping. Usage can head off in all sorts of uncoordinated directions Warin61 (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
- So how do we tag a war memorial stone to both indicate it's a war memorial and that the shape is a stone? --Richlv (talk) 12:12, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, we should sort this out, need to split shape/material and subject/topic. For war memorials we should also have well defined properties to specify the war(s) —Dieterdreist (talk) 13:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- memorial=war_memorial
- material=stone
- For specifying the war people use "subject:wikidata=*". maro21 22:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Blue plaques
For a blue plaque...
...this page says historic=memorial + memorial=blue_plaque (84 uses of that)
...but others have suggested : historic=memorial + memorial=plaque + plaque=blue_plaque (30 uses of that)
The former is more popular now, and simpler. The latter means that instances of blue plaques are more elegantly sharing the tag memorial=plaque with other types of plaques. Someone should make a proposal/documentation of this.
-- Harry Wood (talk) 01:01, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- This page just documents current usage. If you find a value useful, use it. Otherwise feel free to use alternate tagging. Some 84 occurrences don't mean much in a database with billions of nodes. Frankly speaking, I consider neither of these blue_plaque tags elegant. These kind of plaques may be blue in Britain, but they have other colours in other parts of the world. E.g. they are usually white in Austria. So this tag will not be used globally, and applications developped outside the UK will certainly ignore it. --Fkv (talk) 08:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Comment column to Description
In order to encourage a more than one word response here I changed to title from 'comment' to 'description (more than one word)' Warin61 (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Stolperstein
There are not enough characters allowed to state the whole inscription.
In Vienna (Austria, EU), each stone (usually) states the person's name, date of birth, date of deportation, and a short statement on their death. That information would fit into the "inscription" field. However, we usually have more than one stone at a location. Then, stating all the inscriptions (of all stones in one location) into a single POI exceedes the allowed character count. Any suggestions what to do?
- One feature = one entry into OSM. So each 'stone' should be one node in OSM. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element Warin61 (talk) 00:41, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks
- I agree, one node per stone. You could still combine the stones at a site, if you want to map an installation of several stones (eg when they have properties like a name as a group). See for example Proposed_features/Group_Relation —Dieterdreist (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
war memorial statue/stele/stone
How war memorial which is statue/stele/stone should be tagged?
Say for example war memorial stone: is it memorial=war_memorial? Or memorial=stone? Or memorial=stone;war_memorial? Or either of memorial=war_memorial and memorial=stone?
Say for example war memorial statue: is it memorial=war_memorial? Or memorial=statue? Or memorial=statue;war_memorial? Is abstract and generic soldier counting as "historic figure" or do you need to be statue of a specific historic figure to qualify for memorial=statue? In such case, how to deal with statues which are neither war memorials not depicting specific "historic figure" but for example mythological figures or symbolic things ("statue of wisdom" that depicts a old woman a a symbol)?
Triggered by https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/2115#issuecomment-1152870691 discussion
Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to Talk:Key:memorial#Function_OR_Construction/Material?, memorial=stone may be confused with material=stone. There is some overlap with memorial=stolperstein and memorial:type=stolperstein, although that may happen before or outside of war. memorial:conflict=* could augment or separately show such info, despite "conflict" being a less specific word than "war" (it also uses abbreviations; and is US-focused with *=Vietnam).
- Another comparison is memorial=blue_plaque being a more specific value than memorial=plaque. There are other
Commemorative plaque for people as summarized in Blue_plaque#In_other_countries - For the issue at hand, I prefer using the more specific memorial=* than memorial=war_memorial, substituting the latter with subject=*. However, aside from adding a requirement to interpret the specific subject=*, it doesn't show the general category of the object. Same problem is faced by museum=*, and artwork_type=* or artwork_subject=* (as shown in artwork_type=azulejo and artwork_subject=sheela-na-gig.
- I imagine most memorial=war_memorial resembles other things. Eg The Cenotaph is obviously memorial=cenotaph. Tag:memorial=war_memorial cover photo File:LabutPomnik02.jpg looks like a memorial=sculpture on top.
- So eventually we need to sort out how to deal with the form, setting, function/theme, subject, and a unique variety of them. --- Kovposch (talk) 10:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I would prefer deprecating memorial=war_memorial, tag its form there and have a new war_memorial=yes Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is a good suggestion. maro21 00:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aside from memorial:conflict=* and subject=*, there are some commemorates=*. --- Kovposch (talk) 10:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)