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This page is for requests for administrators and data administrators attention, i.e:
  • edit a protected page
  • create or edit a page in the MediaWiki: namespace
  • protect or unprotect a page
  • block or unblock a user
  • create Properties
  • and other

This page is NOT for:

  • asking for technical help → use Talk:Wiki
  • asking to install MediaWiki extensions or fix internal errors
  • nominating a page for deletion → use templates {{Delete}} or {{Delete proposal}}
    • for data items – place it on the data item's talk page

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Once the request is done, please archive it by moving the text to the most recent archive.

MediaWiki:Lang pages

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Please create:
MediaWiki:Lang ...

This request has been waiting since 2012: MediaWiki talk:Lang.
See also: Template talk:Uselang. maro21 13:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Maro21:? Is it a good idea? Verdy p was famous for making or requesting many things of problematic value and ended being blocked for that. Is it one of their bad or good ideas? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Hehe:) I'm not asking for it because someone asked. We (I and Chris2map, but also others) need it to detect user's interface language which would help some templates to display text in a user's language, not page language. All details you have in linked discussions. As an example: Template:Bs:Map Features:abutters - do we want {delete} template to display text in Bosnian because Bosnian page was nominated to deletion? maro21 21:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
@Maro21: If a message needs to display in the user's preferred language instead of the page language ({{PAGELANGUAGE}}), that would be a good argument for moving that message itself to the MediaWiki: namespace. That way, we can take advantage of MediaWiki's built-in language fallback capability. Alternatively, if showing translations in {{Delete}} is a problem, we could just make the template unlocalizable and hard-code it in English. Abusing interface messages for template content creates problems for VisualEditor, but the problem can be confined to certain templates that are unlikely to be edited that way. Making the language code more reusable via MediaWiki:Lang would open the door to unforeseen editing bugs. This is part of the reason an interface language magic word was declined. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 02:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
> that would be a good argument for moving that message itself to the MediaWiki: namespace
But Mediawiki namespace can be edited only by admins, while templates can be edited by anyone. I haven't thought yet about whether the {delete} template, and others like it, should be localizable and accessible to the end user, or only in English.
> we could just make the template unlocalizable and hard-code it in English
This would also be a good solution. Unless we want to make the interface more accessible to non-English speakers, but editing here - however there aren't many of those people. But what about other templates of this type? maro21 19:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

By the way, Wikimedia Commons takes the approach of localized templates that match the interface language but link to versions in other languages. This table outlines the main advantages and drawbacks of five different template localization systems in use on that wiki. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 21:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

You see, even Wikimedia Commons is using this method with MediaWiki:Lang :). maro21 19:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Create MediaWiki gadgets to enable the display of social media hashtag searches

Unresolved

I recently introduced a new template to link communication channels: Template:Communication channels @Samwilson: suggested on the forum that the template should also link hashtag searches on en.osm.town.

I just implemented that but have hidden the links by default to avoid overloading the interface with links (that might yield no or only partially relevant results). To enable the display of the links users currently have to manually edit their user style as described in Template:Communication_channels#Social media hashtags.

I think it would obviously be more convenient for users if they could just tick a checkbox in their preferences (and this could be suggested on the Twitter and Mastodon pages). So I think it would be great to introduce two respective MediaWiki gadgets.

--push-f (talk) 09:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Push-f: maybe I miss something obvious, but noone responded here for years so it may be better than nothing... Which specific gadgets are suggested? Are these gadgets maintained? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Category:Labelled for deletion

Would it be possible for sysops to look at least through some entries at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Labelled_for_deletion ?

330 categories, 204 articles and 229 images are there.

Is there any way how regular wiki editors can help there?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

May it help to add some structure to the labelled for deletion categorization? E.g. subdivisions (categories) for standard cases like pages "created by accident", media "without a license", spam content, ... --Chris2map (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Basically all file deletion requests are license related Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
May it help to promote someone trusted (e.g. Mateusz or Chris) to administrators, as minimum temporarily? Something B (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
I would be happy to help remove the pages, but I don't have the admin tools (I assure that I would do it with caution, and leave contentious cases for discussion or clarification). I am active on the Wiki, I'm online almost every day, and some of the deletion requests that I have written slow down my work, because, for example, they involve removing a redirect to move an article there. And these requests have been waiting for several months. Without removal I can't move, and without moving I can't continue to improve. It would be nice if someone active was an administrator (e.g., Chris2map or me; let's let the people who are willing to do the work do it), because we currently have 18 administrators, 17 of whom are inactive (Minh is active, but rarely does deletion). Tigerfell used to delete pages once a month and somehow it worked, but now he's inactive, maybe he doesn't have time. maro21 21:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 Support Something B (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@Maro21: Thanks for volunteering! You'll need to request permissions on Talk:Wiki for the broader community's input; this is a page for requests made to existing administrators. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 16:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
We already have categorization: Category:Labelled_for_deletion is for obvious cases, Category:Deletion_Proposed is for other cases. maro21 21:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:Deletion proposed is de facto ignored (not processed at all). Something B (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Wrote at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Lyx#Requested_deletions_backlog - will write to other sysops later if it does not help Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Tried at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Minh_Nguyen#Deletions Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny: Thanks for the heads-up. Seems like these deletion requests come in waves, so it's difficult to keep them low all the time. I just processed all the requests in the Item: namespace and deleted 122 categories created by yourself (about users of Garmin devices) and User:Babel AutoCreate (probably mostly the result of Verdy_p trying to create facts on the ground for obscure languages). Unfortunately, I can't go further for now, because all this deletion is giving me repetitive stress injury. It sure would be nice to have more efficient tools for this sort of thing. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 16:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
A big thank to Minh Nguyễn for doing a big bunch of waiting deletions! Have a good rest and get well! I hope others will help. --Chris2map (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Was also raised at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Deletion_requests Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:53, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I started deleting a bit and modified Template:Delete to add some handy links, useful when you are deleting. Including delete link that reduces number of clicks you need to perform Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Timeless skin

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Can an admin make a request on the OSM Operations issue tracker to install the Timeless skin? I'd really like to be able to use it here, it should already be bundled with MediaWiki and just need one line added to LocalSettings.php to enable it. Thank you :) Kinsio (talk) 17:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

"just need one line added to LocalSettings.php to enable it" can you share which specific line would do so? @Kinsio: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:42, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny: This one: wfLoadSkin('Timeless');. Kinsio (talk) 08:33, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
@Kinsio: We haven't had a request for a skin for a long time. Skins are managed more or less like extensions, with similar maintenance overhead. Folks maintaining templates and gadgets would need to account for an additional skin. Maybe this needs to be a broader discussion on Talk:Wiki before we formally ask the operations team to install it? – Minh Nguyễn 💬 16:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
There was a request and talk attempt with Talk:Wiki#Timeless skin in 2024. --Chris2map (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Also another skin Talk:Wiki#Add Citizen skin. --Chris2map (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit war User:Oivo357 and User:HaPe-CZ

@Lyx, Minh Nguyen, and Harry Wood: Could you please help with stopping this ongoing edit war? --Chris2map (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

There's some things you could do to help make it clearer what is going on here. I can see an edit war happening on pages like this one https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q5539&action=history&offset=&limit=250
And I see here User talk:Oivo357#Stop editing and join the discussion you are asking Oivo357 to join a discussion. Could you make it clearer to them, and also clearer to me, by linking them to the discussion you are asking him to join. If you make it nice and clear, then it's easier for me to block them on the basis that they are ignoring that request.
Is it this discussion about translating labels?:User_talk:HaPe-CZ#Translating_labels_on_data_items. If so, you could also make this discussion clearer by adding a comment on there asking both people to stop the related edit warring until agreement is reached on the translations/labels issue.
-- Harry Wood (talk) 00:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
The first scene I came across was on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q22387&action=history (item Q22387 street_vendor=yes). I started discussion there Item talk:Q22387 as attempt to stop editing and reverting each other. It is about "descriptions" and "labels" in different languages, mainly in Czech and Slovak. Following User:HaPe-CZ, the translations User:Oivo357 added or changed on many data items are incorrect machine translations. Besides they do not agree wether to translate labels or not. Sadly User:Oivo357 hasn't reacted in any way. --Chris2map (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
User:Oivo357 starts changing documentation on Data items now: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Data_items&diff=prev&oldid=2859129 --Chris2map (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
@Chris2map: I added a link to Talk:Data items#Translation of labels (follow-up) so others are aware of the discussion and don't take the current guidance at face value. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 22:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)


It appears to have stopped from a cursory look. @Chris2map: As you reported it: would you agree with describing situation as resolved? 13:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Sadly no, see HaPe-CZ (talk) and Oivo357 (talk). I wrote at their talk pages and Talk:Data items#Translation of labels (follow-up). --Chris2map (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
I tried commenting there. I guess that I may be a good fit there as I do not really have preferences at all in this issue :) For now tried to gather some info. If they do not respond in discussion and will continue such disputed edits please ping me here Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

@Lyx, Mateusz Konieczny, Harry Wood, and Wynndale:
User:HaPe-CZ requested me to prevent the User:Oivo357 from further adding or changing tag descriptions in Czech: User_talk:Chris2map#Request (perma). He states that the Czech language translations often are not good enough or inaccurate. I can't judge that because I don't know any Czech. Who can help? I wrote them to list examples side by side. --Chris2map (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I think the cases where they edit warred qualify as that already. I tried to reach out to CZ community (used Discord which seems to be mirror to Matrix, talk-cz link is broken in community index but https://openstreetmap.cz/talkcz/ works and may be worth reaching out also there) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
Very preliminary response from one commentator that happened to be there is that both are valid, just they disagree in brevity. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
And more confirmations that it is not a vandalism arrived. @HaPe-CZ: - please, reread vandalism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism (we do not have page specifically about vandalism on wiki, it seems). Please do NOT use "vandalism" in meaning of "I disagree with it" Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:48, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

@HaPe-CZ: are you sure that using "Cesta nebo rampa pro spouštění lodě do vody." to describe leisure=slipway is actually a vandalism? If yes, please translate meaning of this label into English or otherwise explain why it is vandalism. If that is no vandalism, why you described it as one at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q4734&diff=prev&oldid=2864084 ? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: Similar languages (Slavic) also use similar words but the meanings can be completely opposite. Świeży (pl) = Čerstvý (cz) = Fresh (en) vs. Czerstwy (pl) = Starý (cs) = Old (en) and exmpl. Jagody (pl) = Borůvky (cz) = Blueberries (en) vs. Truskawka (pl) = Jahody (cz) = Strawberry (en). Thus, not every expression is the same meaning in two languages. (talk) 7:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
    • @HaPe-CZ: I am well aware of false friends. That is why I am asking for explanation what was wrong with edit you claimed to be a vandalism. What specific was wrong with this specific change? Why you claimed that this specific change is vandalism? I have not missed that you in fact failed to answer the question. I checked with some people in Czech community and it seems that these were not vandalism at all. In fact, they described your edits as noticeably worse than Oivo357's versions. Please note that both edit war and falsely claiming vandalism is a valid reason for losing editing rights. Please avoid doing either. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:05, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
@HaPe-CZ: @Oivo357: - please immediately cease edit wars like at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q265&action=history - if you disagree, please use talk page. If you cannot agree, please consult wider community and ask them which description better describes given tags. I will give a symbolic blocks for now, for 2 hours.
If edit was discussed: please link discussion in edit comment
If HaPe-CZ or Oivo357 reverting such discussed edit without explanation: please mention it here so they will get blocked
If anyone else sees such edit war: please report it here so both will be blocked. Note, next block from affected namespace may be much longer than 2 hours.
If there is a persistent preference to phrasing suggested by one of you or there is evidence of vandalism, this will be taken into account

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:13, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Having two contributors who are both willing to contribute content in Czech ought to be an asset to this wiki and to OSM as a whole. Instead you are both indulging in dominance games wanting to be the king of documentation in Czech, a post that we donʼt have any more than we have for the map itself or any more than Wikipedia has. Could you try to contribute more constructively? Otherwise expect administrators to intervene further. --Wynndale (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Also, if one person believes that text produced by them is clearly better than what other made... Then ask others from cz community for review and confirmation! There is talkcz, federated real-time chat and more. Even if version someone wrote is better but they engage in edit wars and refuse to discuss and explain things, they will get blocked for edit war anyway! Edit war is the least effective tactic here Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Re

leisure=slipway (Q4734): the description as "cesta" / "way" is incorrect. Way to water only has the meaning of a road that crosses a watercourse, such as a water ford. The full description was subsequently corrected to "Šikmá pevná plocha pro spouštění nebo vyzvedání lodí z vodní hladiny." / "An inclined fixed surface for launching or retrieving boats from the water surface." IMHO, If someone is reverting and returning the wrong description, that is deliberately corrupting the meaning of the translation. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 09:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

@HaPe-CZ: in such case problem should be mentioned in edit description of revert. Not every poor translation (assuming that it was poor) is case of "deliberately corrupting the meaning of the translation". You should explain why you are reverting, not just accusing of vandalism. Please, reserve "reverting vandalism" to actually clear cases like someone setting description to "ghdasgyadgydaguy". Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
You've written something similar before, and I'm following it. I don't know why you're repeating yourself. That situation didn't arise again after that. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
I think it is good and nice to repeat that advice here. I support the actions to protect the wiki from edit wars. – I understand that Oivo357 makes it difficult with the combination of many edits and the apparent lack of interest or ability to exchange ideas and discuss with others here on the Wiki. This can lead to a weak defensive situation, forcing you to react more aggressively. Nevertheless, here in the Wiki, we must act together and make compromises. For this, it is important to try to evaluate other actions cautiously and correctly. In the event of a dispute, please open a discussion and try to involve as many people as possible. Then, I think, questionable edits can be calmed down more quickly. – I looked at the incident with Q4734 (leisure=slipway): Oivo357 changed the Cs description from "Lodní skluz" to "Rampa na spúšťanie lode do vody." and set "lodní skluz" as alias, at the beginning. As far as I can check that with translation tools, this was an acceptabel action. Then you changed back the description to "Lodní skluz" without any comment. That was a less than good move and what followed was a senseless exchange of blows. If this no longer happens, it will be progress. I hope so. --Chris2map (talk) 18:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Image by CC BY-SA 2.0

HaPe-CZ restores problematic (in copyright sense image), claiming "it is CC-BY-SA-2.0" without any evidence.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=ES:Tag:railway%3Dcrossing&diff=next&oldid=2867233 Old image File:Dscf1407-600.jpg

New image File:A small railway crossing in Kamakura, Japan.jpg

-- Something B (talk) 09:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=DE:Tag:railway%3Dcrossing&curid=34225&diff=2867245&oldid=2867232 - "Japanese crossing in Europe" is just nonsense, sorry. Something B (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Old discussion Talk:Wiki#Legal_requirements_to_images_or_media_files. Something B (talk) 09:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
  • There is no contradiction with the specific picture and description. You're just manipulating the facts. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 10:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Facts: (1) no license text or template on file page;
(2) no statement about source on file page or anywhere. Something B (talk) 10:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
  • (1) The initial upload must have been done under a “free” license. Without agreeing to the “free” license, the image cannot be uploaded.
  • (2) See (1) --HaPe-CZ (talk) 10:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
    • User talk:FrankM has been notified of the (allegedly) missing license. A response is pending, expected within 30 days. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 11:56, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
    • "(1) The initial upload must have been done under a “free” license. Without agreeing to the “free” license, the image cannot be uploaded." @HaPe-CZ: yes, people are not supposed to do this. Nevertheless people uploaded images randomly found on internet, taken by others, falsely described licenses etc. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Designing_policy_for_handling_files_without_clear_license which is place to discuss what should be done with such files. Current practice is to remove them and replace with images on a clear license. (note: I will not take admin action in this case as I am quite involved in it) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
    • "A response is pending, expected within 30 days" I would not expect it. I just deleted some images from this account that were waiting since 2022 for reply Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Inactive user? I didn't check. Then there's no need to wait, that's true. --HaPe-CZ (talk) 14:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

New users with suspicious names following a similar pattern

Resolved: Chris2map (talk) 13:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

@Lyx and Wynndale: Recently there are several new user account creations with suspicious names following a similar pattern, e.g. (and more):

How do we deal with those? Ignore until they do an edit? Block before they can do an edit? Block before any edit but allow edit or creation of user page (so a user could communicate in case of an incorrect classification)? --Chris2map (talk) 20:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

They appear in large numbers over time, vast majority never does anything. I assume that either they got caught by some built-in anti-spam measures or spammer provider scams someone else by mentioning number of their accounts. Some of them may be actual humans, who - like most of OSM accounts - never make a single edit Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
Accounts that are obviously spammers from their names have in the past been banned for unacceptable usernames without trying to make spam edits. These ones may represent different tactics from the ones who make up fake personal names and we should be convincing the people behind them that they are wasting their time here. --Wynndale (talk) 21:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
If I understand you correctly, you're also in favor of preventive blocking. One could, of course, ask which action provokes more hacking attempts: blocking, so that the spammer has to create a new account? Or not blocking, with the consequence that edits can be made unless a filter prevents them. I'm leaning toward the former, though. – If we block such accounts, should we use a fixed explanatory text? E.g. “Suspicious username with no edits”, “Dubious username with no edits”, or “Unacceptable username with no edits”? Do we happen to have a username policy somewhere? I only found this: OpenStreetMap account#Account Names and Multi Account Policies; nothing more on Accounts or on osmfoundation.org/wiki/. --Chris2map (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
"Assumed to be a spammer based on user name"? (I still do not see much of point in spending time on blocking) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
In truth Iʼd actually be hesitant to do mass blocks. Many spams are by accounts that synthesise supposedly peopleʼs names, often with numbers at the end. Blocking the many more accounts created with similar names that donʼt try to edit risks blocking legitimate accounts, likely disproportionately of women, and only blocking the obviously spammy names could train spammers to conceal themselves. --Wynndale (talk) 21:44, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Got it. That is a possible consequence. Then we won’t do anything as long as no unwanted edits occur. --Chris2map (talk) 13:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
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