Talk:Tag:man made=water tap

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How does this tag differ from amenity=water_point? Brycenesbitt (talk) 07:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The water point amenity «is for places where you can get larger amounts of "drinking water". Useful for boats or caravans». Contrary to that, a water tap:
  • May provide potable or non-potable water.
  • May be usable for very small amounts of water too (like a self-closing tap).
  • May actually be used together with the water_point, in case the specific location of the water tap is of relevance. --Kotya (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

How can we tag a standpipe of this kind ?

Standpipe to draw water on urban public street
  • It looks like a fire hydrant, but it is green.
  • It is supposed to deliver water not for emergency, but more generally for any needs. --Barnes38
I am not quite sure what it is. I did find the description of the device itself but I cannot understand its application. We generally map things based on their usage, then based on their technical parameters. In this case, the technical parameters are clear, but the usage is not. Any idea? --Kotya (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
  • There is a related water point tag, does that look applicable? --Kotya (talk) 15:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
According to it would be some kind of man made=water tap Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Use with amenity=drinking_water

The addition of the tag amenity=drinking_water would mean there is an additional feature that supplies drinking water e.g. a bubbler. It does not signify that the tap has potable water as that is tagged using drinking_water=yes/no.

I strongly disagree with "The addition of the tag amenity=drinking_water would mean there is an additional feature that supplies drinking water e.g. a bubbler". amenity=drinking_water is more general and explicitly includes water taps ("This includes the drinking fountain or bubbler but may also be just a water tap. ") Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:07, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
How would you tag the difference between a single water tap, a single bubler and a bubbler that also has a tap?
I would tag the single water tap as man_made=water_tap, drinking_water=yes/no; a single bubler as amenity=drinking_water; a bubbler that also has a tap as amenity=drinking_water, man_made=water_tap, drinking_water=yes/no.
Note that the bubbler would be potable .. but the tap may not be potable even when they are close to one another. Warin61 (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
I have never seen something like this, especially with 2 different water systems attached, but I think the easiest would be to map 2 features, one for the non-potable tap and one for the drinking water. If you’re interested in specific types of drinking fountains you can use the fountain key. —Dieterdreist (talk) 23:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
A bubbler and tap, both potable? The 'fountain' key was intended to indicate the decorative fountain details .. not those of bubblers or taps. Warin61 (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Potable water (drinking water) is indicated by drinking_water=yes

This was voted on. The addition of amenity=drinking_water should not be used in place of drinking_water=yes. This came from man_made=water_well. If it is insisted that amenity=drinking_water is used here then it will also have to be used with man_made=water_well Warin61 (talk) 23:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Nobody has to put any tag, and this was not (necessarily) about tagging one instead of the other. If people think amenity=drinking water is an appropriate tag, they could also add it to a water well. —Dieterdreist (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
The main page now has 2 statements about potability
"Consider adding also more general amenity=drinking_water in case it is potable water. "
"Water taps may provide potable and technical water, which can be specified with drinking_water=yes "
So 2 methods to tag the same thing... natural=wood and landuse=forest all over again. CAN WE HAVE ONE TAG TO MEAN ONE THING??? I have started a thread on the tagging group for more views. Warin61 (talk) 00:10, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
"The addition of amenity=drinking_water should not be used in place of drinking_water=yes" - why not? Adding amenity=drinking_water is perfectly fine if it matches. And yes, adding amenity=drinking_water to man_made=water_well with drinking water is a good idea Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
The feature is fully described with the sub tag of 'drinking_water=yes' (or 'drinking_water=no'). Adding 'amenity=drinking_water' contributes nothing. By not using 'amenity=drinking_water' there is then a rendering of the more detailed tags, if not it is a rendering issue. I see the inclusion of the tag 'amenity=drinking_water' as tagging for the render. Warin61 (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
"By not using 'amenity=drinking_water' there is then a rendering" deliberate removal of matching tags - that is a very harmful case of tagging for renderer Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
'drinking_water=yes' (or 'drinking_water=no' - that is acceptable alternative to adding amenity=drinking_water (though removing amenity=drinking_water is still not OK) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
By extension then .. adding amenity=drinking_water to something with drinking_water=* is not OK. And some of these features were voted on .. with NO voting on adding amenity=drinking_water to them. I view the additions of amenity=drinking_water as unhelpful at best, far better to use the voted on drinking_water=yes in these cases. Warin61 (talk)
"adding amenity=drinking_water to something with drinking_water=* is not OK" - I think that adding commonly used tag in cases where it matches is OK (though replacing drinking_water=yes by amenity=drinking_water is not OK) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

road signs

Is list of road signs, added in useful? This signs are self-explanatory, what is value of adding images? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

So much because they relate to the real character of the place. The OSM Wiki unfortunately does not confirm that they are obvious signs. As you can see, there is one characteristic simple sign describing the source of water in public spacein space and time. (despite the disconnected from reality, the opinion on the wiki osm that people, animals, machines need different water to activition!). Official road signs should be present on the wiki osm. Like road signs in other case that they concern.(talk) 10:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, but why we need entire gallery rather than a single example? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Road signs are international symbols used by billions of people. Consciously or not. We create a map that is refer to one country, region or possible as much as be universal. If I left one graphic I would be biased. I want to point out a problem or beauty. I did not find more road signs.Cz ja (talk) 14:24, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

attribute of a amenity=sanitary_dump_station

1) what you mean by "Best mapped as an attribute of a amenity=sanitary_dump_station" - how it would be tagged?

2) are you sure that amenity=sanitary_dump_station is depicted on the photo? It does not look like "Place for depositing human waste from a toilet holding tank"

@Joost schouppe:

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mateusz,

The picture actually does depict a typical French sanitary waste disposal station. One of the grids on the sides can be opened, that's where the toilet waste goes into. There's usually two water taps: one undrinkable, that you can use to clean out your toilet waste holding tank; then another to which you can attach a hose to fill up your camper's drinking water tank. There is also almost always a grid right next to it for disposing of grey water (shower, washing dishes). Most camper vans can open a valve at the bottom of their vehicle to let that flow out. So the picture clearly depicts a "camper oriented feature that happens to provide drinking water". Here's an independent one in the wild:an independent one in the wild Usually you will find them very close to or within a caravan_site; also on service areas on motorways. Joost schouppe (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I was unfamiliar with that construction, and photo description was not really clarifying it. "then another to which you can attach a hose to fill up your camper's drinking water tank" - it sounds like taggable with a separate amenity=water_point + drinking_water=yes, possibly also with man_made=water_tap. (@Joost schouppe:). Either way, I would tag it as two objects. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't see why you'd map it separately: then why not also the water tap for the black water on a separate node, and the electricty plug on a separate node, and the grey water grid on a separate node, perhaps the money slot on a separate node, maybe group them all together in a site relation :) . The biggest disadvantage to me, is that mappers are in fact unfamiliar with these structures and if they see one mapped as just a water point, they'll think it's mapped correctly. But that's just my opinion of course. I have re-introduced the link to the amenity=sanitary_dump_station in the image description, as that is exactly what the image actually does depict. Joost schouppe (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)