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OpenSeaMap documentation

I see you have finally started cleaning up and organizing the OpenSeaMap data models pages. I hope you can make it a little more readable instead of just listings of S-57 values. You could also try improving a little on the various key and value pages, starting with maybe making Key:seamark:type more complete. I fall back on many of these pages from my INT-1 documentation, that have the purpose of documenting INT-1 symbols asosiated with existing and proposed OSM tags. --Skippern 09:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I have just started this documentation project. The lists that I have created will form the 'contents' pages, with each item in the list becoming a link to the page that explains that item in detail. Even in the detail pages, there will be cross-links to other pages where appropriate. This is to avoid unnecessary duplication of material as well as making navigation of the documentation easier. --Malcolmh 11:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

BNIWR and PPWBC

I have created two sandbox documentations for the two systems. Please look at them and include them in SeaMap documentation and next version of the editor. User:Skippern/BNIWR and User:Skippern/PPWBC --Skippern 08:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will incorporate this information into the editor, renderer & documentation in due course. --Malcolmh 11:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Looking forward to seeing BNIWR/PPWBC boards rendered on OpenSeaMap, bridge heads in Rio de Janeiro/Niteroi (Brazilian state of Rio de Janeiro), Vitoria (Espirito Santo) and Aracaju (Sergipe) have been tagged and are currently rendered with CEVNI bords. --Skippern 15:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Add Category to Files

Hello, please see an Example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=File:INT1-P11-4.png&action=history Thanks --Reneman (talk) 12:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Please link images!

Hello Malcolmh,

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the OSM-Wiki! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how: You can pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a Road sign, you add the following code:

[[Category:Road sign]]

This will make the File show up in the categories "Road sign".

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Category:Categories.


--Reneman (talk) 15:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I have create a new category for Icons for the OpenSeeMap: Category:Openseamap Symbols. Please add your OpenSeeMap-Icons in this Category. Thanks. --Reneman (talk) 14:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Great work, very nice :) --Reneman (talk) 18:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hi, noticed that you are removing plenty of text without any edit summaries. Some kind of edit summaries would be really useful. RicoZ (talk) 23:57, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Error at INT-1-preset.xml

Hello

Sorry y dont speak english

dans JOSM preferences "modeles d'attributs" "seamarks" il y a une erreur de texte, voir :

https://github.com/OpenSeaMap/josm/blob/master/INT-1-preset.xml

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/OpenNauticalChart/josm/master/INT-1-preset.xml

Error at line 2707 and 3727

<key key="seamark:topamrk:shape" value="2 cones point together"/>
<key key="seamark:topmark:shape" value="2 cones point together"/>

Thanks Gnrc69 (talk) 11:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Fixed!


I seem to be another small inconsistency in the Seamarks menu of JOSM:

Why use seamark:topmark:shape=cone, point up with comma for objects

> Q: Buoys, Beacons, Notices/Topmarks (Q9)/CEVNI Topmarks/Channel and Waterway Limit Topmarks/Left Bank Topmark

> Q: Buoys, Beacons, Notices/Topmarks (Q9)/CEVNI Topmarks/Warning Topmarks/Left Bank Warning Topmarks/


and use seamark:topmark:shape=cone point up without comma for objects

> Q: Buoys, Beacons, Notices/Topmarks (Q9)/IALA Topmarks/IALA-A Lateral Topmarks/Starboard Hand Lateral Topmark

> Q: Buoys, Beacons, Notices/Topmarks (Q9)/IALA Topmarks/IALA-A Lateral Topmarks/Preferred Channel to Port Topmark

> Q: Buoys, Beacons, Notices/Topmarks (Q9)/IALA Topmarks/IALA-B Lateral Topmarks/Starboard Hand Lateral Topmark

> Q: Buoys, Beacons, Notices/Topmarks (Q9)/IALA Topmarks/IALA-B Lateral Topmarks/Preferred Channel to Port Topmark


standardize "cone, point up" with comma everywhere seems to me interesting.

Thanks Gnrc69 (talk) 14:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Fixed! User:Malcolmh

Migration of maxdraft, maxdraught, maxheight, ...

Hello, why did you delete (redirect) all pages of such as maxdraft, maxdraught, maxairdraft, maxheight:marine created by Skippern? I agree that there is no clear tagging scheme but I think the pages by Skippern were very well done and the redirections are a loss. So I don't know what the matter was? I think a Tag e.g. like maxdraft (according to maxheight) for Nodes (like gates, locks, shallows) is not wrong. By deletion of Skippern's pages these ability got lost. Might be better to think about a concept of height and depth/draft/draught and their migration before deleting them - no page about a Tag is even worse than a wrong one. The pages are e.g.: - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:maxheight:marine&oldid=545401 - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:maxairdraft&oldid=801910 - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Amaxdraught&type=revision&diff=1294930&oldid=777897 - So please explain what your puropse was. Thanks. Enzyklopädix (talk) 13:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

gate:clearance_height

I Think seamark:gate:clearance_height could/should be rendered with same symbol as seamark:bridge:clearance_height? Enzyklopädix (talk) 13:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Photos

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Are you author of images https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:L-house.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Apex_Light.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:SWBeacon.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cardinal_Buoy.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cone_Buoy.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Minor_Light.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Hull_Marina_Light.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:SafeWaterBuoy.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:SWBeacon.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Lateral_Beacon.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Isolated_Danger_Buoy.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:CalshotLF.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Special_Purpose_Buoy.png https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cardinal_Buoy.png ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Would you agree to open licensing of this image, allowing its use by anyone (similarly to your OSM edits)?

Would you be OK with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:CC0 (it allows use without attribution or any other requirement) ?

Or do you prefer to require attribution and some other things using https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:CC-BY-SA-4.0 ?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Please, review your uploads. For example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:SafeWaterBuoy.png is/was a copyright violation as it was uploaded without stating license and author. And was anyway at terrible resolution. Can you review your uploads and fix/replace them? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Missing file information

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Sorry for bothering you about this, but it is important to know source of the uploaded files.

Are you the creator of image File:Directional Light.png ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Please, add this info to the file page - something like "I took this photo" or "downloaded from -website link-" or "I took this screeshot of program XYZ" or "this is map generated from OpenStreetMap data and SRTM data" or "map generated from OSM data and only OSM data" or "This is my work based on file -link-to-page-with-that-file-and-its-licensing-info-" or "used file downloaded from internet to create it, no idea which one".

Doing this would be already very useful.

Licensing - photos

In case that you are the author of the image: Would you agree to open licensing of this image, allowing its use by anyone (similarly to your OSM edits)?

In case where it is a photo you have taken then you can make it available under a specific free license (except some cases, like photos of modern sculptures in coutries without freedom of panorama or taking photo of copyrighted artwork).

Would you be OK with CC0 (it allows use without attribution or any other requirement)?

Or do you prefer to require attribution and some other things using CC-BY-SA-4.0?

If you are the author: Please add {{CC0-self}} to the file page to publish the image under CC0 license.

You can also use {{CC-BY-SA-4.0-self|Malcolmh}} to publish under CC-BY-SA-4.0 license.

Once you add missing data - please remove {{Unknown|subcategory=uploader notified 2022, August}} from the file page.

Licensing - other images

If it is not a photo situation gets a bit more complicated.

See Drafts/Media file license chart that may help.

note: if you took screenshot of program made by someone else, screenshot of OSM editor with aerial imagery: then licensing of that elements also matter and you are not a sole author.

note: If you downloaded image made by someone else then you are NOT the author.

Note that in cases where photo is a screenshot of some software interface: usually it is needed to handle also copyright of software itself.

Note that in cases where aerial imagery is present: also licensing of an aerial imagery matter.

Help

Feel free to ask for help if you need it - you can do it for example by asking on Talk:Wiki: new topic.

Please ask there if you are not sure what is the proper next step. Especially when you are uploading files that are not your own work or are derivative work (screenshots, composition of images, using aerial imagery etc).

If you are interested in wider discussion about handling licencing at OSM Wiki, see this thread.

(sorry if I missed something that already states license and source: I am looking through over 20 000 files and fixing obvious cases on my own, in other I ask people who upladed files, but it is possible that I missed something - in such case also please answer)

--Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Attribution

Hello! And sorry for bothering you, but descriptions of files you uploaded need to be improved.

You have uploaded files which are licensed as requiring attribution. But right now attribution is not specified properly.

Please, ask for help if something is confusing or unclear in this message.

Please, fix that problem with this uploads - note that images with unclear licensing situation may be deleted.

Attribution may be missing completely or just be specified in nonstandard way, in either case it needs to be improved. Note that using CC-BY files without specifying attribution is a copyright violation, which is often unethical and unwanted. So clearly specifying required attribution is needed if license which makes attribution mandatory was used.

If it is applying to your own work which not based on work by others - then you can select own user name or some other preferred attribution or even change license to for example {{CC0-self}}

For your own work: ensure that it is clearly stated at file page that you created image/took the photo/etc

For works by others - please ensure that there is link to the original source which confirms license and that you used proper attribution, or that source is clearly stated in some other way.

Especially for old OSM-baded maps, made from data before license change on 12 September 2012 you should use "map data © OpenStreetMap contributors" as at least part of attribution

For old OSM Carto maps, which predate license change on 12 September 2012 you can use a special template {{OSM Carto screenshot||old_license}}

Hi, some short notes by me to points, I've recently found or been on:
* Quite some OpenSeaMap files are on WCommons Category:OpenSeaMap_Icons and Category:Nautical_Chart_Icons.
* I'm in contact with Markus B via email to discuss licensing of the symbols.
* I plan to establish a Template:OpenSeaMap symbol for files not yet superseded by Commons. --Chris2map (talk) 12:59, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Wait, is for example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Notice_E8.png your own design? It is not copy of existing map symbols or posted signs from elsewhere? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Probably not: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:E.8_Hinweis_auf_eine_Wendestelle.svg (is in public domain).
Don't confuse me (User:Chris2map) with User:Malcolmh ;) --Chris2map (talk) 17:04, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
So it is case of "If it is applying to your own work which not based on work by others" and claimed licensing is misleading. Please fix it. (I marked that specific one as replaceable by Commons file and therefore it will be deleted) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
From looking at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Diagrams_of_water_transport_signs_in_Germany almost all of images here are in a similar position and claims about CC license are misleading and false: Malcolmh is NOT author of this designs Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Blanking

Is it intentional that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:TowerBeacon.jpg was blanked? If yes - then why? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:46, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes I did it because I do not know where that image originally came from.

Thanks for info: in such case it should be deleted. Is it possible that you will find some openly licensed replacement? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:28, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

That image is on Wikimedia Commons - see File:Beacon Tower, Crich Stand - geograph.org.uk - 1731431.jpg --Chris2map (talk) 13:53, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

TOO

Are you sure that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Notice_E9d.png is eligible for copyright? And it is not just {{PD-shape}} ?

Because if it is eligible for copyright then it is a derivative work of original design - and then you need to also mention license of the original design and explain why you can make a derivative work of it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

All those notice symbols and the buoy & beacon symbols were created by my renderer.
But you copied existing design, right? In case of files like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Notice_E5_15.png it is a derivative work of existing images and you have not added anything qualifying for copyright protection Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

The images are not copied but are generated programmatically by the code. The definition of the symbols is from the international standards.

Exact way of copying design does not really matter. Code generating this images may have own copyright, but images itself are faithful reproduction of this international standards and seems really unlikely that changes between standards and what code generated to be creative enough to qualify for copyright protection Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Missing file information

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Sorry for bothering you about this, but it is important to know source of the uploaded files.

Are you the creator of image File:AnchorBerthR.png ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Please, add this info to the file page - something like "I took this photo" or "downloaded from -website link-" or "I took this screeshot of program XYZ" or "this is map generated from OpenStreetMap data and SRTM data" or "map generated from OSM data and only OSM data" or "This is my work based on file -link-to-page-with-that-file-and-its-licensing-info-" or "used file downloaded from internet to create it, no idea which one".

Doing this would be already very useful.

Licensing - photos

In case that you are the author of the image: Would you agree to open licensing of this image, allowing its use by anyone (similarly to your OSM edits)?

In case where it is a photo you have taken then you can make it available under a specific free license (except some cases, like photos of modern sculptures in coutries without freedom of panorama or taking photo of copyrighted artwork).

Would you be OK with CC0 (it allows use without attribution or any other requirement)?

Or do you prefer to require attribution and some other things using CC-BY-SA-4.0?

If you are the author: Please add {{CC0-self}} to the file page to publish the image under CC0 license.

You can also use {{CC-BY-SA-4.0-self|Malcolmh}} to publish under CC-BY-SA-4.0 license.

Once you add missing data - please remove {{Unknown|subcategory=uploader notified 2022, November}} from the file page.

Licensing - other images

If it is not a photo situation gets a bit more complicated.

See Drafts/Media file license chart that may help.

note: if you took screenshot of program made by someone else, screenshot of OSM editor with aerial imagery: then licensing of that elements also matter and you are not a sole author.

note: If you downloaded image made by someone else then you are NOT the author.

Note that in cases where photo is a screenshot of some software interface: usually it is needed to handle also copyright of software itself.

Note that in cases where aerial imagery is present: also licensing of an aerial imagery matter.

Help

Feel free to ask for help if you need it - you can do it for example by asking on Talk:Wiki: new topic.

Please ask there if you are not sure what is the proper next step. Especially when you are uploading files that are not your own work or are derivative work (screenshots, composition of images, using aerial imagery etc).

If you are interested in wider discussion about handling licencing at OSM Wiki, see this thread.

(sorry if I missed something that already states license and source: I am looking through over 20 000 files and fixing obvious cases on my own, in other I ask people who upladed files, but it is possible that I missed something - in such case also please answer)

--Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Mooring Cells Seamark

I'm looking over the Seamark tag for moorings, but not seeing a mention of mooring cells. I see from https://ienc-kennisportaal.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/G.3.12-Mooring-Facility.pdf they recommend the mooring cells to be classified as CATMOR 5, but the definitions of the tag don't quite match up to be clear to mappers. Also the post/pile option is rendered as a point, but these objects are often much larger than a pole or pile (see pdf image) or Docked coal-filled barges and a passing tugboat on the Ohio River, below Moundsville in Marshall County, West Virginia LCCN2015632120.tif. This was brought up in OSM US's Slack https://osmus.slack.com/archives/C039KRDSBR6/p1677612042636309 and thought you might have some insight on how to tag this in OSM. Given the size difference of the cell from a post or pile it may be useful to tag as seamark:mooring:category=cell for rendering as an area for data QC while data consumers could be directed to treat it as pile/post. Per-https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:seamark:type%3Dmooring What are your thoughts? 23:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)