Talk:Tag:shop=motorcycle

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services

The following is a proposal to put this service variety into tags:

  • sale=yes/brand/used/no/... - sells whole motorcycles
  • rental=yes/brand/no/... - motorcycle rental
  • repair=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/... - repairs / maintains motorcycles
  • safety_inspection=yes/no - inspection of safety/emission regulation conformance
  • parts=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/... - sells motorcycle parts
  • clothes=yes/brand/no/... - sells motorcycle clothes / equipment
  • scooters=yes/no/only - to distinguish scooter shops, very useful in Asia
  • services=... - other services this shop offers

RocketMan (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC) ‎

These SHOULD be proposed on the tagging group!!! Not proposed on a wiki page.
All shop sell things. Being able to add detail to ALL of them in a logical, organised way that uses the same system for ALL of them would be best.
'sale' is usually taken to mean a special event with lower prices, not a regular thing. 'sells' would be better?
See tagging group thread with subject "JOSM preset with strange tag values" for more. Warin61 (talk) 04:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Regarding service:*=* , there's already an accepted proposal for the services of shop=bicycle : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbicycle#Additional_keys But this doesn't work for everything mentioned above, as some aren't services.
An (non-service) example which is relevant due to the number of affected entities :
To distinguish between a motorcycle dealer which also sells clothes=* and a shop which (only) sells motorcycle clothes. As of the current documentation, it would be tagged as shop=motorcycle and clothes=motorcycle. IMHO it wouldn't be elegant to say the pure clothes shops should remove the shop=motorcycle tag (as it is a shop, and usually also sells accessories, so not just a shop=clothes). It would be possible to distinguish it with a sales=* tag or motorcycle:sales=clothes/accessories/motorbikes/scooter... (If there are no motorcycles/scooters, it's just a motorcycle clothes shop).
repair=* currently got 2 514 entries according to taginfo. On the other hand, according to the "bicycle" system, it should be service:motorcycle:repair=* (most of the existing "repair" entries are for other kind of shops). The necessity of "service:bicycle/motorcycle" isn't quite clear, except if a shop sells both and just got service for one of them. But motorcycle:repair=yes or alternatively shop=motorcycle combined with repair=yes seems more elegant to me (what is the "service:" part good for ?) rtfm Rtfm (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
the 'services' tag has no clear meaning. I believe it is a 'catch all' meant for anything that does not fit any of the mentioned categories. Anything that does not match the given tags should get a new tag that matches what it is. As such I would not use the tag 'services'.Warin61 (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
So what do you think about motorcycle/skiing/bicycle:(type of service)=* ? It would be similar to contact=* or addr:*=*. rtfm Rtfm (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Sells not Sale

Please use 'sells' not 'sale'! In common English the word 'sale' is taken to mean a special event where goods are sold at a reduced price. The word 'sells' would make much more sense in the context of an shop. Warin61 (talk) 21:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with that rtfm Rtfm (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately someone who didn't well read
the Vandalism#Vandalism_response definition
reverted all the already adjusted tags rtfm Rtfm (talk) 18:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
sale=yes
Sales promotion 2015 0001.JPG

Repair vs Service

An explanation for motorcycles.

Repair is to fix something that is broken. Example, fixing a punctured tyre.

Service is to maintain something that is working - to ensure its long life. Example, a change of engine oil.

Servicing something would require less tools and knowledge than repairing the same thing. Warin61 (talk) 21:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Think this might be difficult to distinguish in case of any garage. So repair would include service. In case of a station, they possibly just got service. But the term "service" is already taken by service=*, so motorcycle:service=oil_change would possibly be irritating ? rtfm Rtfm (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

"Tag usage" and "tips" sections

I got rid the Tag Usage and Tips sections because they are extremely vague, make no sense, and aren't relevant to the article anyway. But I got reverted by RTFM. So I'm starting a discussion about it here. In general, if there is going to be a section about Tag Usage, it should relate to 1. how to use the tag (which the section doesn't do) 2. Be relevant to the actual tag (which it isn't because its mostly about the motorcycle:whatever tagging "scheme"). Instead it just lists how to find the tag on different apps. Which I don't think is relevant to the article and even counter to the point in the wiki.

The same goes for the "tips" section. Which isn't explained and seems to just show how to find different motorcycle brands in Taginfo. I have the same criticism of it as I do the "tag usage" section, its complete none sense as to what it has to do with anything and if the information is actually relevant to anything, which I highly doubt, it should be on its own article page not on this one. Anymore then the same type of thing would be relevant to have on the restaurant article for cuisine tag etc.

A lot of other pages have the same exact "tag usage" and "tips" sections, but there by the same person. If agreement can be reached here that they should be removed, id also like to remove them in the other places.

I also take offense to RTFM's removal of Mateusz Monieczny's comments about the low usage of the tags and their lack of wider acceptance, along with his revert of my adding the clothes=motorcycle tag as an alternative to his motorcycle:clothes tag. His attempts to suppress mentions of the problems with the motorcycle:whatever scheme or the mention of other alternatives to it is extremely wrong. So those things need to be restored, along with the bad sections being deleted, but I don't feel like edit warring to do it. @Mateusz Konieczny --Adamant1 (talk) 09:44, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I am not a motorcyclist, but I would agree that the secrions that you had removed are off topic. I suggest you ask the DWG for their opinion and advice on how to proceed. A similar case was published by Rftm himself on the tagging mailing list last year. I am curious what they will answer. --Hufkratzer (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I would not bother DWG with that, unless there would be anyone actually sharing RTFM opinion to include highly unusual materials (see linked rockets case) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Tag usage section (link to old version, fortunately not present in the current one) is pointless and unwanted duplicate of https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=motorcycle#projects Doing this for tags manually on Wiki is bloating articles and beyond our maintenance capability. I also see no value at all at including overpass turbo guide everywhere. Link or two to a complicated query that is clearly useful would be OK, but adding Overpass Turbo tutorial on every page is absurd. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)