Proposal:Fire lookouts
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| Proposal status: | Approved (active) |
| Proposed by: | Jake Low |
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| Definition: | Fire lookouts are structures used by firefighting personnel to spot wildfires and monitor them as they develop. Lookouts are usually built on high vantage points in the wilderness, and staff often live on site during the fire season. |
| Rendered as: | no special rendering required |
| Draft started: | 2020-09-09 |
| RFC start: | 2020-11-10 |
| Vote start: | 2021-06-23 |
| Vote end: | 2021-07-07 |
Proposal
This proposal suggests introducing two new tag values:
- building=fire_lookout to indicate that a building is or was originally built to be a fire lookout.
- emergency=fire_lookout to indicate that a feature (usually a building=* or man_made=tower) is used for fire spotting.
Fire lookouts are sometimes but not always towers, and thus a new tower:type=fire_lookout tag wouldn't be an appropriate way to map them. Additionally, some lookout structures are historic and no longer used for fire spotting, and some non-lookout structures are used for fire spotting (such as towers), hence the need for two tags.
Rationale
Over the last century, fire lookout towers have been an important tool for land managers to detect and monitor wildfires. They are usually located deep in wilderness areas and often inaccessible by road. This meant staff would live on site during the fire season and report their observations via radio.
More recently, satellite imaging has begun to replace mountaintop lookouts for the purposes of wildfire monitoring. While some fire lookouts are still in active use, others have become historic structures and tourist attractions. Some have even been converted into rental cabins.
OSM currently doesn't have a documented way to tag fire lookouts. There's only a single use of building=fire_lookout and four uses of a seemingly related building=lookout_tower according to TagInfo. man_made=tower exists and can be made more specific with tower:type=observation, but this doesn't specifically indicate a fire lookout. Furthermore, not all fire lookouts are towers, though generally all are buildings as they're used to house the personnel that staff them.
Examples
According to firelookout.org, there were at one time over 8,000 fire lookouts in the US, and around 2500 are still standing. Lookouts have also been widely used in Canada and Australia, and I believe also in many other parts of the world where wildfires are common.
Here are some example photos of fire lookouts.
Twin Sisters Lookout, Colorado, USA
Mt. Harkness Lookout, California, USA
Ute Mountain Fire Tower, Utah, USA
Hidden Peak Fire Lookout, Washington, USA
Mount Lofty Fire Tower, Australia
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Tagging
New tags
This proposal suggests using building=fire_lookout to indicate structures which were built for the purpose of wilderness fire spotting, which generally have a common set of physical features (often square, one-room structures with windows in all directions). This tagging can be used both for active fire lookouts and buildings which were originally built as lookouts but have since been converted for other uses (such as visitor centers or rental chalets).
Structures that are currently used for fire spotting can be tagged emergency=fire_lookout. This tag can be applied both to building=fire_lookout as well as to other structures such as man_made=tower (likely also tagged tower:type=observation).[1]
Usage with existing tags
Most lookouts will have an official name=*, usually derived from the peak upon which they're built or the region they look out over.
Lifecycle tags can be used to tag fire lookouts which are disused or abandoned. For example, disused=yes for an unused lookout, or abandoned:building=fire_lookout for one which has fallen into severe disrepair.
Regardless of the current state of use or repair, a lookout is usually owned and operated by a land management agency (such as the Forest Service or the National Park Service in the U.S.). When possible, note this on the object using the operator=* tag.
Some lookouts have been converted into rental cabins – in the U.S., these are usually owned and operated by the Park or Forest Service. These can be tagged building=fire_lookout but should not be tagged emergency=fire_lookout. Use tourism=chalet to indicate the present use, along with relevant operator=* information if it's known. Consider also adding electricity=* information since it will very likely be relevant to anyone staying at the lookout.
Some lookouts that are no longer in active service have been opened to the public. These can be tagged access=yes and possibly also tourism=viewpoint. Other lookouts have signs indicating that they're closed to public access and should be tagged access=no. Again, only use emergency=fire_lookout for structures that are actively used for fire spotting.
Many (but not all) fire lookout structures are also towers and can be tagged man_made=tower and tower:type=observation. Consider adding height=* if it is known. Most lookouts are building:levels=1 and it may be helpful to tag them as such.[2]
Some fire lookouts are designated historic buildings and can be tagged historic=building. Consider also adding an appropriate Wikipedia or Wikidata link, or other relevant ref (e.g. ref:nrhp=*). If possible, also tag the year that the lookout was erected with start_date=*.
Applies to
Fire lookouts should typically be mapped as closed ways, like other buildings. For especially small lookouts or lookouts where the exact bounds can't be accurately determined from imagery, a node may be used instead.
Features/Pages affected
If this proposal is accepted, the pages Tag:building=fire_lookout and Tag:emergency=fire lookout should be created (their contents can probably be adapted from the text of this proposal). These pages should be careful to describe the difference between the two taggings, as the similar names could cause confusion. A note should also be added to Tag:man_made=tower linking to these pages.
Comments
This is my first OSM proposal. Feedback is welcome. Please comment on the discussion page.
Voting
Voting on this proposal has been closed.
It was approved with 21 votes for, 2 votes against and 1 abstention.
I approve this proposal. hopefully there aren’t collisions to be expected with other values of emergency=* --Dieterdreist (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
I oppose this proposal. I don't like building=fire_lookout. It's not a distinctive structure. building=fire_station you compared is at least more unique looking and different internally. The 4th photo in Proposed_features/fire_lookouts#Examples is no different from any other small building. ---- Kovposch (talk) 08:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. Just to be sure: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fire_Tower_01a.jpg would not get building=fire_lookout? --Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Javiersanp (talk) In my area is proposed a construction that will be at the same time a meteorological radar station and a fire lookouts. June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. I dont see the problem with it not being a distinctive structure, we have other such examples as well (building=kindergarten, bakehouse) that relate more to use than form of the building. --Hannes Röst (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. I agree with Kovposch that building=fire_lookout isn't appropriate for fire lookout sites. However, I do believe the tag emergency=fire_lookout would be a great addition. Just looking at the fire lookouts in my state of Washington shows a mix of towers and buildings. The towers are a mix of just used for fire lookouts and those used for multiple purposes such as communications towers. Glassman (talk) 22:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. As mentioned, I'd suggest emergency=fire_lookout + fire_lookout=tower / building --Fizzie41 (talk) 23:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Arlo James Barnes (talk) 23:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. I don't see the point of building=fire_lookout. Ok for emergency=fire_lookout. In France, some no longer have lookouts and are equipped with high-performance cameras to replace them--Gendy54 (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Reino Baptista (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2021 (UTC) on emergency=fire_lookout
- I oppose this proposal. on building=fire_lookout --Reino Baptista (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Wonderb0lt (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --TheBlackMan (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Lectrician1 (talk) 18:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Timmy_Tesseract (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Bdgroves (talk) 17:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC) I like that if it's active it can say emergency. Also this proposal will help search experience.
- I approve this proposal. --SherbetS (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC) I think this is a great idea and a well thought out proposal.
- I approve this proposal. From the pictures provided, it seems reasonable to me that, when constructed as a building and not merely a tower, that a fire lookout is a physically distinct type of building, and therefore a building=* tag is appropriate. Equally so, the emergency function expressed in emergency=* seems consistent with other values in that key. --ZeLonewolf (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Voting has ended. Thank you to everyone who participated. A post-vote message will be sent to tagging@openstreetmap.org soon. — Jake Low (talk) 07:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Notes
- ↑ For example, Mount Lofty Fire Tower (see image above) is both a man_made=tower and an emergency=fire_lookout. It's probably not a building=fire_lookout since it's very small and not intended to provide living quarters to the emergency personnel who staff it.
- ↑ For example, Ute Mountain Fire Tower (see image above) is probably best tagged as both a building=fire_lookout and a man_made=tower with tower:type=observation.