Talk:Key:healthcare

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I'm a newbie looking for the correct tagging for a medical testing laboratory. This proposed healthcare key has the potential to be very comprehensive.

"replaces"

It is incorrect to say that "healthcare=dentist replaces amenity=dentist". There are 30k amenity=dentist and <900 healthcare=dentist.

The wiki is supposed to document how people map things, not describe a schema that the author of a particular page would like to see adopted (but that hardly no-one has yet). --SomeoneElse (talk) 10:34, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

... and that's now been resolved by a page edit by User:Mateusz_Konieczny. Thanks Mateusz! --SomeoneElse (talk) 13:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

name: Can we include Dr in it?

For example in France we always say "Dr Jane Doe" and there is almost always a plate with that written.

In Germany, the title is part of the name, and depends on having a PhD or not. As there are now quite a lot physicians that have not done the PhD, it cannot be included universally. --Polarbear w (talk) 15:47, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

JOSM preset

Hi, I started an draft to add this tags to the JOSM editor: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Healthcare --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 07:41, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

you could naturally not reinvent the wheel and use what has already been done for https://github.com/simonpoole/beautified-JOSM-preset SimonPoole (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
This is not about reinventing the wheel. As we discussed at the forum your presets are pretty nice , but not listed within JOSM, nor found by google nor mentioned at the JOSM healthcare ticket. It's good to know, that there are different approaches to extend JOSM, but in the end we all want to encourage other mappers to make use of this schema. Just another tool, doesn't hurt anybody :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 17:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Naturally they are found by google (in the top 10 results) and in the diaries and weekly OSM and twitter and .... SimonPoole (talk) 18:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Google results are different for everyone so you are both right. (It's likely that pages Google knows one already viewed would get a higher ranking) Tuxayo (talk) 18:33, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

healthcare: hospice and other nursing facilities

Hi, could you please give some more detailes on your recent edit on the voted healthcare=* page? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 21:40, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

If you look closely, the approved proposal from 2010 did not contain hospice, thus this value was not voted on. It was inserted on 19 May 2017‎ by Jotam. I checked and found that there was no discussion about it on this talk page, and I am not aware of any discussion on the tagging list. As all other values for the healthcare key are therapeutic approaches, hospice does not fit. Also regular nursing homes would not fit. As documented, there is a better approach for hospices under the social_facilities category. --Polarbear w (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for this explanation. To avoid any conflicts, I recommend to remove this entry completely and ref to this disc at the edit comment.
We already linked to social facilities at the template and See also section, as both topics are closely related :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 09:06, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Will do. I might also write a differentiation section, similar to this one.--Polarbear w (talk) 10:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Differentiation between therapeutic and caring facilities

Following the discussion about hospices, I propose to add a clear differentiation that the healthcare key, as it was approved, focuses on the therapeutic professions, and excludes nursing care. While of course a nursing home is visited by a general physician (healthcare=doctor), and a hospice by a physician specialised in palliative medicine (healthcare:speciality=palliative), the purpose of the facility is caring. In some countries there is a legal distinction for therapeutic professions (e.g. Germany: Heilberuf on Wikipedia), thus this key should follow this distinction. For the care facilities, there is an established tagging scheme as amenity=social_facility + social_facility=nursing_home or social_facility=hospice.--Polarbear w (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

new values that are in use

Hi, as the years are passing by, the community makes use of the healthcare namespace and invented new values. Taginfo lists for example:

While I'm personally pretty ok to add this values to get an unified+more complete schema (like power=*), I'm not sure how others think about this extensions? If the values are used significantly in the wild, does we need any further discussion? Are there conflicts with other schemas? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 18:23, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Adding values is a natural thing in OSM, however the definition should limit the scope so it does not get diluted. Laboratory and pharmacy fit in the therapeutic scope as said in the section above, so in my opinion that would be a good bracket. --Polarbear w (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

migrate legacy from amenities

Hello, to come the goal of an unfied namespace closer step-by-step, I would like to ask, how we deal with legacy values currently and in mid-term. My idea is to softly migrate to healthcare like this steps:

  • editor presets with new tags (and old legacy tags parallel)
  • osm.org map style extension to render healthcare=* objects
  • flag amenity=doctors, dentist, clinic, hospital, ... as legacy within QA checks
  • ask community to manually remove legacy task in local areas

I'm not sure if this is the right way and how long this might take (I guess def. more than one year). Are there any other ideas how to push the acceptance of this schema? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 18:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

What about travel medicine?

I couldn't find an entry about travel medicine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_medicine

In Germany, there are special doctors, who have extra programs for traveller, mostly general doctors, but at least not every general doctor.

So I think a new entry "healthcare:speciality=travel" is needed. Regards (15 June 2018‎ by Hsimpson)

Sounds plausible. I was thinking about travel or travellers, but travel seems better.--Polarbear w (talk) 15:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)