Proposal:Automated external defibrillator

automated_external_defibrillator
Proposal status:	Approved (active)
Proposed by:	MatsH
Tagging:	emergency=defibrillator Data item
Applies to:	node
Definition:	An AED is a device designed for the layman to treat life threatening cardiac arrhythmias
Statistics:
Rendered as:
Draft started:	2009-05-06
Proposed on:	*
RFC start:	2010-06-17 (medical) 2012-07-26 (emergency) 2013-09 (aed)
Vote start:	2013-10-02
Vote end:	2013-12-31

Proposal

By now, there are many automated external defibrillators available to the public. An AED is designed to treat life threatening cardiac arrhythmias and therefore is of major importancy during a cardiopulmonary resuscitation. An AED is easy to use, and specifically designed for the layman.

Rationale

As these devices can (and do) save lifes, I find it important for them to be found. They are placed in all kinds of public placed as government offices, shopping centres, airports and schools.

Combination

An AED (or automated defibrillator) can be stored in locations which are not necessarily 24/7 accessible. In this case, you can add opening hours information.

Automated defibrilattor devices are also in some countries stored in vending machines or telephon boxes (mainly in Japan). You are free to combine this new "emergency" key with the existing ones for the main feature (amenity=telephone or amenity=vending_machine).

Tagging discussion

• Shifted to the talk page

Currently (2012-03), the tags medical=aed or emergency=aed are in discussion.

Possible icons

The International Liaison Committee on Resuscitation (ILCOR) has proposed a universial sign for the presence of an AED:

[1] [2]

Applications

Please add below all applications using this tag:

• aed-map (zoom europe) ("medical=aed" and "emergency=aed")
• French osm-fr main map - world coverage ("emergency=aed")

Voting (2nd)

A first "vote" (moved here) showed that we all agree about such a tag but a strong minority is opposed to use an abbreviation. To clarify this, the "vote" is restarted with all options. The fact that the tag is already in use can be ignored (~1000 in db which can be easily changed and data consumers can support multiple values for a transition time).

Vote ended the 2013-12-31 with following results:

• "emergency=aed" : 10
• "emergency=AED" : 1
• "emergency=defibrillator" : 24
• "emergency=automated_external_defibrillator" : 4

Tag "emergency=aed" (abbreviated, lower case)

• I approve this proposal. AED is the common term in the Netherlands (more common than the full expression), and would therefore be the best understood term. However, I don't oppose the other options. Math1985 (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Also in my experience aed is a well known abbreviation. I don't like the upper case version, because it doesn't sound usual to me. But if most users prefer "emerency=automatet_external_defibrillator" it would also be ok for me. --hendrik-17(talk) 17:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. "aed" is the common term. While I don't object to emergency=automated_external_defibrillator, there's real momentum behind aed (including a JOSM preset), and I see no problem with it. Regardless of the choice, it would help if someone with strong English cleans up this proposal page and makes it read properly. Brycenesbitt (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- DaCor (talk) 14:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Like many, I believe the "automated" element should be defined as it is important
• I approve this proposal. -- N76 (talk) 01:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC) It seems that in most of the world, including non-English areas, they are signed as "AED". I'm willing to go along with lower case for OSM consistency. If "aed" is rejected then the term "automated" must be used to distinguish it from one that requires specialized training.
• I approve this proposal.−JB (talk) 14:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. A bit late to the party :p. I prefer this version, emergency=automated_external_defibrillator is too long IMHO and of the two remaining options I find this to be the most clean, though I could live with any of the four tags.--M!dgard (talk) 19:25, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. This is the most simplest way to ID them in the US. If the tag of defibrillator is used most Americans would not know what to tag or overly tag around hospitals.--BrianatBrea 1:25, 4 November 2013 (PST)
• I approve this proposal. Mapping here in Japan, and the country is SATURATED with AED Signs. Every convenience store, school, mall, and public building has them. All teachers and students go through AED training. I have never seen a non-AED device in Japan or America. If you are a professional, you would know the location of the very rare un-automated ones, whereas you you would expect the AEDs to be widespread and prevalent, but out of direct sight, so a search would be useful. I I imagine within a very short time most publicly available Defibrillators will be AEDs. Javbw (talk) 14:22, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. I approve this suggestion because it's easy to tag (write) and not as prone to misspellings as the other suggestions. I also dislike the uppercase spelling because I cannot remember any OSM tag which is written in upper case. I have to submit that the term aed is not as commonly known in Germany as defibrillator but most english speaking countries it is more commonly aed and so I prefer this term katze_sonne (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Tag "emergency=AED" (abbreviated, upper case)

• I approve this proposal. -- this is my preferred option, as it's what I think they are commonly referred to as. "defibrillator" is my second choice. HillWithSmallFields (talk) 10:18, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Tag "emergency=defibrillator"

• I approve this proposal. --npettiaux (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Pieren (talk) 12:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Bredy 16:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal.--vsandre (talk) 13:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Imagic (talk) 13:20, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Only if a bot will switch the 500+ emergency=aed (taginfo in France) to this new value. JB (talk) 15:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Tordanik 16:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --ToniE (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Johan Jönsson (talk) 19:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC) Easier to remember than aed, but I guess I have learned the abbrevation aed by now. The full automated.. is too long.
• I oppose this proposal. --Brycenesbitt (talk) 20:11, 2 October 2013 (UTC) this misses the essence of the device. The automated part is essential (the non-automated versions are a completely different beast). "AED" appears on the majority if the actual devices, and we should map what we see.
• I approve this proposal. --Sdoerr (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC) I suggest adding the tags automated = yes and external = yes.
• I approve this proposal. --BCNorwich 07:06, 3 October 2013 These devices are looked for in an "Emergency" rather than a "Medical" situation. Most are marked as defibrillator, (sometimes with other markings) so defibrillator ought to be known/recognised in the majority of cases. So emergency=defibrillator.
• I approve this proposal. -- Chtfn (talk) 12:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC) I would like to see terms that are as explicit as possible on OSM, because it should not be assumed everyone understands an English acronym. Eventually, editors will be completely translated and we won't have to worry about it, but for now, let's make it easily understandable.

Not all emergency defibrillators are labelled "AED"

Not all AEDs are labeled 'defibrillator'

• I approve this proposal. With the proviso that by default, we should assume that the emergency defibrillators we map are automated and external, and that we should mark the exceptions with automated=no (or external=no - but no public defibrillator is ever internal). Rationale: normally, mappers will be mapping emergency equipment in public places, and making maps for the general public, so tailor the defaults for this case. Many, if not most, modern emergency defibrillators are automated. No public emergency defibrillator whatsoever is internal because that involves implanting electrodes into the patient. Maps of the interiors of hospitals made for/by medical professionals, for whom the distinction matters, can still be made: just mark the basic exceptions and any more specific technical information. --achadwick (talk) 09:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal.--Dieterdreist (talk) 18:17, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Janko (talk) 16:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --- trigpoint (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Fanfouer (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --HeikoE (talk) 10:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. BZH (talk) 11:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Gilbert54 15:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC) Initially I was opposed for the same reason as Brycenesbitt, but Achadwick has a point: we can safely assume that any defibrillator which is accessible to the public will be an AED.
• I approve this proposal. --LordOfMaps (talk) 16:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Without the hint to being 'automated' a defibrillator is just usable for medical experts, therefor I think the abbreviation with 'a' or the word 'automated' is essential --Ssbds (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Would you change your opinion if we clearly specify in the tag documentation that it's for automated defibrillators by default. I don't think anyone is planning to map a manual defibrillator since it has no interest for the public and is not accessible. But for the worst, we can add a subtag to specify the exception, e.g. "emergency=defibrillator" + "defibrillator=manual" in the final doc. --Pieren (talk) 10:58, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

In that case, I'll be with you. --Ssbds (talk) 11:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. automatic and external do not make sense as these are the only ones for public use. -- DoubleA (talk) 21:33, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Władysław Komorek (talk) 08:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Tag "emergency=automated_external_defibrillator"

• I approve this proposal. I believe that the automated part is important, because only automated defibrillators are suitable for operation by laymen, while non-automated defibrillators must be operated by qualified medical personell. "external" isn't important as a distinction (I guess) because the internal ones won't be tagged ;-). --Dieterdreist (talk) 13:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

"manual defibrillators" are only in hospitals or ambulances. They are usually mobile. They will never be mapped in OSM (like forks in restaurants). --Pieren (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, like forks in a restaurant they do have a dedicated place, so they would be (in theory) mappable, e.g. for detailed indoor mapping, but I agree it is not probable that it will happen in the near future. --Dieterdreist (talk) 18:17, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --- Brycenesbitt (talk) 06:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC) while long, this is accurate.
• I approve this proposal.Vincent 95 (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Bulwersator (talk) 16:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Examples

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  AED Sign

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  Geesthacht

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  Dortmund

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  Zingst, Outdoor

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  Defi-Box

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  like IBIS-Hotels

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  Wedel

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  Label, Spain

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  France, located on the wall of a townhall

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  Defi-Station Malaga-Airport

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  Defi-Station Hamburg-Airport

• AED Cabinet USA.jpg

  Plain AED cabinet USA

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  Defibrillator requiring access code for ambulance service

• 1413-aed-cabinet.jpg

  Cabinet

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  (locked) AED in telephone box

• AED Japan Vending.jpg

  AED in vending Japan