Talk:Tag:amenity=vending machine

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payment:notes

a machine selling tickets for parking
payment:notes=yes

What does payment:notes=yes mean? That you can buy the parking tickets without having any coins with you? Logictheo 12:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

note = bank note, paper money. Yes. --Lulu-Ann 22:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the payment:*=* tags, except that the singular form (i.e. coin instead of coins) seems more consistent with other tagging. I'd also like to use the value "surcharge" instead of just "yes" when there is an additional charge for that particular payment mode (e.g. payment:credit_card=surcharge would be a common tag on some brands of fuel stations in the US).-- AM909 23:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Icon for telephone_vouchers vending machines?

Hi, is it possible to use the british top up symbol for the telephone_vouchers vending machines? Actually I don't know where else I should place this request. I talk about this symbol [here] cu AssetBurned 16:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The question is never "is it possible?". Of course it is. The question is: "Is it legal?". --Lulu-Ann 11:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

hm I guess if someone create a similar logo it would be. AssetBurned 16:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

selling point for dog-excrement-bags combined with waste basket for those bags

Any ideas how I can tag the combination of a box with dog excrement bags in it and a basket for the full bags below it? That combination is quite common, at least where I live. Both have amenity as key, so I cannot add both to the same node. --holgermappt 21:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Our excrement bag dispensers have waste bins, too - Are there any without? Lulu-Ann

Yes, in Switzerland there are both types: bag dispensers with excrement waste bins (not suitable for other waste) and small, tiny bag dispensers on a pole without any waste bins. Example products: http://www.robidog.ch/de/Produkte/index.php (page in german but pictures are self-explanatory). I would definitely like some sort of excrement_bags:waste_basket:yes (or a simple waste_basket:yes if other trash can be put there too). --Marc 15:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

You can write a proposal to have this combination supported. --Valor Naram (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

bigger vendings?

There are fuel stations "open" 24/7 and car washes where's no personnel and where you can pay only with electronic cash. How should they be tagged? Atm I made one node for the fuel station and one for the vending machine, but I think this nodes should be merged. -- Malenki 22:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

proposal for vending_machine=syringes

what about vending machines for syringes? On vending machines like that you can recycle your used syringes and get new sterile syringes for low costs. Kerosin 17:17, 13 October 2010 (BST)

I´ve tagged this one 793241707 793241707 and similar ones like this:

amenity = vending_machine
operator = Fixpunkt
payment:coins = yes
vending:ascorbic_acid = yes
vending:condoms = yes
vending:syringes = yes

--Gkai 00:03, 14 October 2010 (BST)

Misspelled tag values

What's with “news_papers” and “SIM-cards?” It's called a newspaper and a SIM card, so the values should be newspapers and SIM_cards. I'm updating the page.

Is there any way to gauge how messed up this is in the database? Do renderers use these values? —Mzajac 17:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

taginfo for vending. People are actually using news_papers somewhat consistently (which is surprising, because mappers usually don't even apply those conventions consistently that actually make sense). This is probably partly due to the fact that there is a JOSM preset for these values. Changing the page won't do much good unless you manage to get that preset changed, too. --Tordanik 18:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, thanks. Is there a master list of keys & values somewhere for mass-proofreading before submitting a bug report? —Mzajac 22:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

What we really need IMHO is an agreement "always use singular" for OSM in general. Lulu-Ann

Relation for linking a vending machine to a service provided ?

A use case of such relation:

Self-service car-wash systems are paid by inserting a currency into a vending_machine, but the service is provided by the amenity=car_wash node.

Proposal for a relation :

• type=vending

• Members :
  • vending='nodes/ways of amenity=vending_machine'
  • service='nodes/ways of am--Haves (talk) 10:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)enity=* providing the service paid for'

Reverse Vending Machine (ecoATM)

There are some vending machines where you can turn in your goods and get money back called ecoATM. Example node 2411544133 2411544133. How to tag those? I would go for something like

vending=mobile,mp3player,tablet
vending:type=reverse_vending

-- DoubleA (talk) 19:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Your suggested tagging has the problem that all current data users will mistake them for places where you can buy mp3players, not sell them. In my opinion, the term "vending machines" doesn't fit well here. Perhaps invent amenity=rebuy_machine instead? (Of course, there might be combined buy-and-sell machines, too...) --Tordanik 13:52, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

vending:food

I think we should combine all vending machines which are vending food by vending:food and adding another tag with i.e. food_type:snacks, food_type:drinks, food_type:bread etc.. I know that this is third dimension ordering but I think it would make the sorting of vending machine much easier, as you don't have to recognize all different kinds of food when you are parsing the information. Also you can find them under the new tag. --Haves (talk) 10:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree your proposition, food category is a little bit complex : I'm mapping fruits and vegetables (uncooked) vending machines. This is food vending machines but not the same type than "all made" food. Same problems with "supermarket-like" vending machines (flour, pasta,…).
People who want food and search a vending machine (amenity=vending_machine and vending=food), usually want cooked food… --Frem (talk) 18:20, 9 February 2015 (UTC+1)

But why does this collide with my proposal? "Your" vending machines would be tagged by vending:food, food_type:fruits and supermarket vending machines could be taged by vending:food, food_type:flour;pasta;drinks;fruits... . For anyone who wants to use this data in some kind of application it would be much more useful to do it like this. Because the application could register all kinds of food vending machines first and after this would define the kind of food vending machine. By doing it this way it would even register vending_machines with "unknown" food, and there are really endless kinds of food out there, as a food vending machine.--Haves (talk) 10:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Vending machine as area

There are some vending machines which are quite big, like small retail buildings - with the exception that you can't get inside. I think it would not be bad to mark them as areas. However, the wiki page says "should not be used on areas", and JOSM validator complains too. What's wrong with it? --Jedrzej Pelka (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I recommend to map the area as a small building and set nodes for each of the vending machines --Lulu-Ann (talk) 11:31, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Seems like this would be counter to Good practice#One feature, one OSM element. Unless the idea is that one serves as a destination for someone wanting to obtain the vended item, and the other is to show a large physically occupied area for landmarking and such? Arlo James Barnes (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I just mapped a vending machine as an area, and as building=service. It's a service called "Twice The Ice" and they're very large vending machines that dispense ice and water. Here's the way as an example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/924564786 MoiraPrime (talk) 18:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Don't use the building-key. This is Tagging for the renderer. A vending machine is not a building.--OSMRogerWilco (talk), 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the Twice The Ice case -- that's pretty clearly a building; it has a roof, and foundations. I still think adding the vending_machine key as a node within the building would be better than tagging the building, but having an area for what is very obviously a building seems good. JesseFW (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

As long as it is a building in which vending machines are integrated, that is also perfectly OK. But we are talking about vending machines here. And vending machines are not buildings. Instead, you should do as you do with parcel locker, which are large vending machines, and map them as an area. --OSMRogerWilco (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

As probably 95% of bottle return machines I've seen are in separate buildings, where the only purpose is to host the vending machine and customer enters the building, then tagging as area should be an option as well - picture of the building hosting bottle return machine. Currently you create the building and put a node inside it and that is against the Good practice#One feature, one OSM element --Vtkamm (talk) 12:58, 09 March 2023 (UTC)

I think that where is two features: building, and machine, located within building. Something B (talk) 08:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

The building is an ice maker essentially, with chutes and payment machines mounted on the building's exterior to both pay for the ice and dispense the ice. That seems like a building that is a vending machine to me. MoiraPrime (talk) 18:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

In otherwise covered locations

the article refers to this section here but it actually does not exist, so I am creating it :)

• I have understood the vending machine should be a spot, so cannot be included in the location amenity tag
• A proposal by Lulu-Ann is to add indoor=yes
• At reading Simple Indoor Tagging article, it should be slightly more detailed in case of multi-level building. But the suggested tags min_level=* and max_level=* do not exist
• Key:building:levels page gives level guidance

Apparently, the most accurate proposition is :

• vending machine should be tagged with level=*
• building should be tagged :
  • building:levels:underground=* for levels below the ground
  • building:levels=*for levels above the ground (including the ground level)

- Hellopierre (talk) 13:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Tag suggestion

I recently have seen interesting products in vending machines which could be added :

• baby products : diapers, powdered milk
• pregnancy test
• toothbrush

what do you think? Hellopierre (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

payment:honesty

One more important payment method: honesty box - you are asked to pay by cash into a simple box (not unusual in rural areas). Copied to payment=* also. --GerdHH (talk) 15:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

vending machine to load money on a voucher card

Hi,

here inside a company all restaurants and vending machines do not accept coins or bank notes, but every employee has a NFC card with a payment function. There are (banking-?) machines to book money from your VISA or EC card to the employee card, and vending machines that accept them for payment. How to map? --Lulu-Ann (talk) 11:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

change machine (dispense coins and bank notes)

How to map a machine which dispense coins and small bank notes in exchange of other bank notes? These are found in train station, parking, laundry, bank, post office. The machine can charge a fee or not. On the machines i've seen, payment is made by bank notes.

I found 4 vending values that match, on taginfo:

• https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/vending=coin/vending=change/vending=money_change/vending=coins

The most used value is "vending=coin", but "vending=change" is more representative, some of those machine dispense only coins, some dispense coins & bank notes.

Please find hereafter my proposal for a new value:

amenity=vending_machine
vending=change
payment:notes=only
fee=yes/no (optional)
indoor=yes (optional)

NOTE: there is a tag "change_machine=yes" that can be used to indicate there is a automated change machine in an amenity (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpost_office), but a separate node is useful to locate precisely where the machine can be found in a big building (e.g. train station).

--Kazing (talk) 09:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

If the machine charged a fee for changing the money it would be a vending machine, but if it doesn’t it would not. Frankly I have never seen such a machine charging for the service, they used to be in support of other vending machine and were always free of charge (where I saw it), and are quite rare now because the machines tend to give change themselves now. —Dieterdreist (talk) 21:17, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Not entirely those. There are ones for bulk changing all the coins you have at home to banknotes or electronic. While these do charge a processing fee for the service (as a standalone business), for the ones asked here that you are against, there are obviously a wide range of other usually non-paid vending=* for products tentatively "abusing" amenity=vending_machine.

Aside from vending=coin_change_machine (it could use amenity=dispenser instead of a dedicated amenity=coin_change_machine or amenity=change_machine). I imagine a bigger problem might be vending=coin being confused with vending=elongated_coin. --- Kovposch (talk) 05:11, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Vending machine can operate without charge Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Lost property boxes

There exist containers to drop off lost and found things like wallets, keys etc. (e.g., Austria). They are usually emptied by local authorities and brought to local police stations or lost property offices (cf. amenity=lost_property_office). Strictly speaking, they are not vending machines since you put some things in it instead of money and don't get anything out of it. However, since the term for machines taking back bottle is reverse vending machine I guess we could use it anyway. However, I could not find a proper english term specifically for these outdoor dropboxes. Lost&Found box is mostly described as a small and open container indoors and the british term should contain lost property anyway... I propose simply vending_machine=lost_property.
--Stefanct (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Stefanct: note that Wiki pages are often low traffic, if you want more responses you may in addition post on tagging mailing list Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

shop=farm plus vending_machine

Quite a few farms have a vending machine these days (to avoid crowdedness in the farm shop) Question: should I add amenity=vending_machine to an object which already has shop=farm, or make this a separate object? If add, should I add opening hours for the vending machine to existing tag opening_hours, or keep this in separate tag? I now used "opening_hours=Wo, Sa 08:30-16:00 vending_machine: 07:00-19:00", is this advisable? If separate node should I copy all details which apply to both shop and vending machine (e.g. contact details)? Infodisiac (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Add vending_machine=yes to the shop=farm to indicate it has a vending machine. Use amenity=vending_machine on the exact location of individual vending machines to represent them. ---- Kovposch (talk) 11:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Pickup parking areas

Anyone know a good tag for those areas at grocery stores and the like where you park to have your groceries or whatever that you ordered online brought out to you? I don't think this tag works, but it's a similar idea and I can't think of anything comparable to it. I was thinking about something like parking=pickup, but then that wouldn't allow for other parking tagging. Or there's amenity=drive_through, but that doesn't really work either. Since they are parking spots and not necessarily drive throughs in the technical sense. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

There was Proposed_features/Queue_paths and shop=outpost. ---- Kovposch (talk) 03:44, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Addition of reusable_packaging:offer

I think the addition of reusable_packaging:offer in this context is extremely suspect and questionable. You can literally refill most liquid containers with liquids from somewhere besides where you bought the container. Just like you can "reuse" a box from anywhere to fill with whatever you want somewhere besides where you got it. Anyone can go to a parcel pickup vending machine, take out a package and reuse the box that it come in if they want to. I don't think those kinds of arbitrary, "applies to every situation" tags are helpful are should be advocated for though. Otherwise, where's the limit? I asked the same question on the talk page of the reusable_packaging:offer proposal page. I think it warrants a coherent answer so the tags don't just get arbitrarily added to everything. --Adamant1 (talk) 22:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

No coin slot, free of charge: dispenser

E.g., Tag:vending=excrement_bags which are mainly free of charge.

Wouldn't it be clearer in English to have another tag: dispenser. Yes, even if there is a fee=no tag.

w:Vending machine talks about cash. w:Dispenser is a more general term. Jidanni (talk) 09:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Vending machine for electric (véhicule) charging stations ?

• Some EV charging stations have one "vending" machine for i.e. 8 charging points. Example in Paris
• Lockers exists i.e. in mall centers to recharge small electronic devices (smartphone, headset…)
• same but for e-bike batteries

How to map them ?

2 lasts exemples could be mapped as amenity=locker ??

taginfo show chargers (used for fuelrod kiosks), charging_station, charges and even e-bike.

--Pyrog (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

1. amenity=payment_terminal might be usable?
2. amenity=device_charging_station
3. Do you mean battery swapping?

• • The standard or mapping battery swapping station
  • https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/utom73/ebikes_charging_station_battery_swap_or_not/

--Kovposch (talk) 11:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

1. and 2. Good idea.

3. No, this is a locker for bigger batteries.

German wiki suggest:

• man_made=charge_point
• capacity=*
• socket:schuko=*
• bicycle=yes
• motorcar=no

--Pyrog (talk) 15:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

You mean these??? https://www.alfa3.eu/magazine/e-bike-battery-charging-lockers
man_made=charge_point is for individual outlets. You are not adding every slot of the locker. socket=schuko would be misleading when it doesn't charge your bike directly.
Unlike battery-swap, they definitely shouldn't use amenity=vending_machine , You don't get anything from them. It's not comparable to reverse vending either.
Honestly, it's closer to a amenity=device_charging_station . You leave a battery there to charge, and get it back afterwards. Unfortunately, battery may not be considered a "device".
Eg charging=battery / charging_station=battery could be simpler. Or more expandable charging_station:battery_charging=only to show you can only charge the battery directly, not leave a vehicle there.
—— Kovposch (talk) 13:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

What kind of vending could we add to these EV stations, vending=electricity?

I am not sure about it, since the vending machines of EV charging pool are not under the same laws than electricity providers and are mostly badge passing machines.

-- Tykayn wiki (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Tagging if the machine gives back change

Some vending machines - mostly older models - might not give back change. For example, if a good costs €1.90 and a piece of €2 is inserted, it won't give you back €0.10 when purchasing the goods. (Inserting precisely €1.90 will still give you the product).

Is there a way to indicate this? --Pietervdvn (talk) 00:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Including a generic vending machine svg

Hello,

Would it make sense to have a generic svg icon for the demonstration of vending machine?

I do not have permission to upload the svg so I am providing the code (would appreciate feedback on what i am doing wrong if I do have permissions to upload):

<svg width="16" height="16" viewBox="0 0 16 16" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
<rect x="2" y="2" width="10" height="12" fill="#888" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>

<rect x="3" y="3" width="7" height="7" fill="#fff" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>

<rect x="4" y="4" width="2" height="2" fill="#333" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>
<rect x="7" y="4" width="2" height="2" fill="#333" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>
<rect x="4" y="7" width="2" height="2" fill="#333" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>
<rect x="7" y="7" width="2" height="2" fill="#333" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>

<rect x="13" y="3" width="3" height="1" fill="#777" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>
<rect x="13" y="5" width="3" height="1" fill="#777" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>
<rect x="13" y="7" width="3" height="1" fill="#777" stroke="#000" stroke-width="0.5"/>
<circle cx="14" cy="11" r="1" fill="#000"/>
<circle cx="14" cy="13" r="1" fill="#000"/>

<rect x="6" y="12" width="4" height="1" fill="#000"/>

Thanks, Hadjis (talk) 13:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Do you mean to propose a map icon for the OSM Carto map style? --Chris2map (talk) 15:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh cheers for the information mate.
Yeah precisely like in most wiki tags you have the section "Rendering in OSM Carto" below the amenity description.
From what I gathered that maps to the most recent file in the "File History" section of the respective file but I still have no clue how to contribute to that by creating that section. Hadjis (talk) 21:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Name for vending machines?

Hello,

I've started with mapping a year ago, but I'm still quite new. So far, everything works ok, I'm just having a problem with a vending machine of a farm. The problem is: This farm hasn't any other farm shop where the vending machine is associated. So when I search it on Nominatim or in the navigation app OsmAnd, the whole place isn't retrievable. On the navigation app OsmAnd, if I chose the category "vending machine", it appears when you search it on the map, but often you have the case that you know the name of a place but not exactly where it is, so it would really be necessary to be possible.

The only way to make it retrievable this way was for me adding a tag "name=". But the thing is: it doesn't appear on this wiki page about the tag amenity=vending machine. I also got criticized for using it as it is a kind of tagging for the renderer. I understood the idea behind that point of view. However, I made a research on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer. In the german version of that page, there is one paragraph missing: "Counter examples". And there, everything sounds a bit different and more open as long as it isn't wrong or misleading (like in the case of the CERN particle accelerator), especially if it helps tools to make it easier to process and understand. So I think immediately of my navigation app and that adding the "name" tag would make everything easier in my case - especially as nearly all the other farm vending machines that I found had that tag.

BUT: As I wrote, I'm quite inexperienced in mapping and I don't want to do something really wrong just because everybody does it. So I would be grateful to get some opinions and explanations.

Thank you very much and kind regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robby Redford (talk • contribs) 22:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

What you need to read is DE:Namen#name_ist_nur_der_Name and DE:Namen#Namen_sind_keine_Beschreibungen first. Rendering comes afterwards, and this is actually more Tagging For Geocoder / Search Engine, or Tagging For Application.
What do you want to add to name=* exactly? name=Farm vending machine , don't. Eg the farm name=Abc Farm Products could be fine when it is signposted, similar to brandings,
—— Kovposch (talk) 05:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

How about adding the name of the farm to the vending machine with brand=*? It's done like that with amenity=parcel_locker or amenity=charging_station. --Chris2map (talk) 16:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kovposch: Well, at the beginning and now again I asked the owners which is the official name of the place. It is actually a place that they call (translated with other family name) "Self service farm shop Miller". And elsewhere online they call it like that as well. So it's like the "Bundesstraße" in DE:Namen#name_ist_nur_der_Name I would have to ask if they have an actual signpost, but do I get it right: The problem is that this name sounds like a description? Should I ask them to give it a name that can't create confusion?

--Robby Redford (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

This seems acceptable. Determining from signage is the convenient method, and it's reliable to be used in case of contradictions. But name=* is fundamentally about the most common naming. If they call it that, it can be used in name=* .
—— Kovposch (talk) 05:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Chris2map: I could give it a try if the search functions find something with brand=*, but would that be more acceptable according the original idea of this tag? Key:brand

--Robby Redford (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree that this would deviate from the basic idea behind Key:brand. The Nominatim search finds the values for brand=* as far as I can test. In your case, however, name=* is really the most obvious and fine for me. The fact that the name is a bit bulky and identical to a short description is not OSM's problem. --Chris2map (talk) 08:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)