Proposed features/Evaporation basin

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Evaporation basin
Status: Voting (under way)
Proposed by: ZeLonewolf
Tagging: basin=evaporation
Applies to: area
Definition: A basin used to evaporate water
Drafted on: 2021-01-17
RFC start: 2021-01-31
Vote start: 2021-02-18
Vote end: 2021-03-04


Proposal

An evaporation pond or evaporation basin is a basin containing water containing a dissolved substance (precipitate). These basins are used for the following purposes:

  • Evaporating the water in order to harvest the precipitate
  • Evaporating the water at contaminated sites remove the water from hazardous waste, which greatly reduces its weight and volume and allows the waste to be more easily transported, treated and stored.
  • Evaporating the precipitation that falls on a contaminated site. The contaminants that the water picks up on the ground are left behind after it evaporates. This prevents the contamination from spreading further down the watershed.
  • Preventing pesticides, fertilizers and salts from agricultural wastewater from contaminating the water bodies they would flow into.

The following tagging is proposed for evaporation basins:

An evaporation basin is distinct from a tailings pond, tagged man_made=tailings_pond, which is specifically used to remediate liquid waste resulting from a mining operation.

Note: this proposal takes no position on whether basins should be tagged landuse=basin or natural=water + water=basin.

Rationale

  1. The current tagging and documentation for evaporation basins (reservoir_type=evaporator) is unclear as to whether they should be tagged as a reservoir or a basin. Since both reservoir and basin are intended for water, this resolves the ambiguity by categorizing evaporation basins as a basin feature.
  2. Evaporation basins and ponds are not considered reservoirs in common usage. Evaporation basins should not be grouped with bodies of water used for traditional water storage.
  3. There is a community consensus that these bodies of water should be tagged as a basin rather than a reservoir.
  4. Based on consensus gained through tagging list discussions, even though these features are normally called evaporation ponds in normal usage, they are closer in characteristics to other features in basin=*, such as basin=retention, basin=detention, basin=infiltration, and the proposed basin=cooling than they are to water=pond.

Tagging

Evaporation basins can be difficult to discern from other bodies of water. These basins are normally identifiable by their association with an industrial, agricultural, or public works facility which performs water evaporation as part of their function.

An evaporation basin is, by definition, sometimes wet and sometimes dry. Thus, it is unnecessary to add the tag intermittent=yes.

The following table lists additional tagging that is suggested for tagging features in and around evaporation basins. This list is non-exhaustive and is provided as a helpful reference to mappers:

Tag Used for
natural=water + water=basin or landuse=basin Required tagging for all basins.
basin=evaporation The evaporation basin, at the typical high water mark.
resource=* Specific materials that are being extracted from the water.
man_made=dyke A dyke or levee which is holding back or encircling an evaporation basin.
The overall land use of the site which includes the evaporation basin.
hazard=contamination Indicates that the evaporation basin is hazardous.

If the mapper is able to identify a body of water as an evaporation basin, it can be tagged natural=water + water=basin or landuse=basin, combined with basin=evaporation. If the specific use of the basin cannot be determined, the mapper can still tag the body of water as a basin (using one of the two options), but without the basin=evaporation. If the mapper is not even able to determine whether the body of water is a basin, it can simply be tagged natural=water.

Rendering

Renderers should assume that all evaporation basins are intermittent, and make rendering decisions accordingly.

Examples

The following evaporation basins are used for a variety of industrial uses:

OSM Element Used for
way 784329044 Petroleum
way 767901197 Ethanol
way 768656014 Sugar/alcohol
way 768573882 Incineration
relation 4784244 Potash
way 499717495 Potash
way 801913350 Coal power plant
way 666401681 Water purification

Photos

Applies to

area

Features/Pages affected

Page Change
basin=* Add a new key evaporation for evaporation basins
basin=evaporation Create this page
reservoir_type=* Mark the value reservoir_type=evaporator as deprecated.

External discussions

Comments

Please comment on the discussion page.

Prior Votes

Vote suspended due to issues discovered after the vote started ZeLonewolf (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Evaporation ponds are different from reservoirs, and should have their own tagging. --ZeLonewolf (talk) 20:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Riiga (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I abstain from voting but have comments I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. (changed from "yes" due to barrier=berm)--501ghost (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. (changed from "yes" due to barrier=berm) --Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --BubbaJuice (talk) 21:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. One step towards deprecating reservoir_type=* as a whole. --Mxdanger (talk) 21:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Tagging specificity is a good tool in the pocket of renderers and other consumers, too. Arlo James Barnes (talk) 21:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --AntMadeira (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Stevea (talk) 21:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. The most used term in all applications (engineering, industrial, agriculture) is ponds, not basins. Quarry as major landuse is not listed. Promotes the use of berm instead of dyke. The barrier to hold the water is a dyke, not a berm. Hazard = contamination is contamination of the environment, not specifically to human health. Minor comment: In the examples "Used for" should be "Used with (manufacturing or production of)". --Bert Araali (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Note that basin=evaporation was chosen as a new value in the already existing basin=* key, which already includes basin=retention, basin=detention, basin=infiltration, and the nascent basin=cooling. --ZeLonewolf (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
I did, but with 20 years of experience in the sector as engineer and project manager I considered it as "less suitable". Not in conjunction with what was defined in OSM in the past but also when sites get detailed you will find mostly f.i. in description or even name tags that it will be called a pond. That alone is not my only objection, together with wrong optional use or description of berm and contamination convinced me this is too quick and dirty. I remain with opposing this proposal. Bert Araali (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. This is a good addition. Glassman (talk) 23:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Fizzie41 (talk) 01:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Adamfranco (talk) 03:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Mashin (talk) 04:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I abstain from voting but have comments I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. -- I support this proposal, except for the suggestion to use the new tag barrier=berm. Perhaps you meant to include man_made=embankment or man_made=dyke instead? --Jeisenbe (talk) 06:24, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, I have made the change and notified the tagging mailing list[1]. If anyone feels that this invalidates the proposal, please let me know so I can restart the vote. --ZeLonewolf (talk) 12:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Thanks for changing "berm" to "dyke!" --Dr Centerline (talk) 22:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Evaporation ponds are different from reservoirs, and should have their own tagging. --ZeLonewolf (talk) 23:34, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Thanks for considering my remarks in the previous vote. Although in the tech world these are mostly called evaporation ponds and even often carry specific names including "pond" which might be added by a mapper, I can and have to live with the allocation to basin. In the context how similar features are defined in OSM seems a wise conclusion. Good and solid proposal, thank you Brian ! --Bert Araali (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Solid work by Brian (as usual!) --Stevea (talk) 23:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --501ghost (talk) 23:59, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Looks good to me! --LeifRasmussen (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Fizzie41 (talk) 00:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --AntMadeira (talk) 00:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --ForgottenHero (talk) 00:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 00:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. -- I still like this proposal. Glassman (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. (man_made=dyke or man_made=embankment might be correct, depending on the context: a dyke (or levee) is higher than the land on both sides, while an embankment might be one-sided) --Jeisenbe (talk) 01:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Marc marc (talk) 01:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Horza (talk) 02:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Mxdanger (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Phidauex (talk) 04:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Carnildo (talk) 05:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Riiga (talk) 09:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --B-unicycling (talk) 10:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --PeterPan99 (talk) 11:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --InsertUser (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Adamfranco (talk) 13:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Mashin (talk) 15:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. (per my reasoning in the previous vote) Arlo James Barnes (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I abstain from voting but have comments I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. It seems rather dubious to exclude salt ponds from being used with this scheme. I bet salt ponds are the very first thing that most mappers will associate with an "evaporation basin". While I acknowledge that there are good reasons to give them there dedicated tag they don't convince me and I'd have preferred a wording that explains the pros and cons instead of simply discouraging it. --Stefanct (talk) 09:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
read the talk page, imho "continue to exist" should be read as "this proposal doesn't change this tag" and "this proposal takes no position on this tag" would have been a better wording. Marc marc (talk) 20:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --BubbaJuice (talk) 03:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Something B (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --EneaSuper (talk) 12:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --AnakinNN (talk) 14:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Ezekielf (talk) 02:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. Tagging should have included salt ponds, but it's a minor topic Fanfouer (talk) 18:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. Note that evaporation ponds are distinct from tailings ponds, which are also commonly found in quarry areas. Tailings ponds are instead tagged with the approved tag man_made=tailings_pond.