Talk:Key:shop/Archive 1
Feature Page Shops
Should shops that have made it to the Map Features page not be included in the Country Specific Lists? Should the values table on the Features page be copied to the shop page like it is for highways? --Kweejee 03:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Mapnik render
If shop can be attached on 
, than the renderer does wrong by writing the name on the edge see here --Shmias 15:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
As, unfortunately, mapnik overlays the house number with the shop icon when both are defined on a way (area), one may prefer to define the shop and name key only on the lower left node of the area (example house 78). --A Pirard 13:12, 13 June 2012 (BST)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)shop=swimming_pool?
Resolved I need to tag a shop specialized in swimming pools, equipment to fix, build and upgrade them, chlorine and other products for treating them, and furniture to use in and on the side of the pools. I have problems fitting it into any of the existing categories.... --Skippern 14:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- shop=swimming_pool. maro21 15:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
self-checkout suggestion
I've used one instance of the following:
- shop:amenity=self-checkout (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/71493407)
to indicate that a shop (a supermarket in this case) has self-checkout facilities (where a shopper can complete the purchase of items without interacting with shop staff).
Do you think that this is a useful piece of information for inclusion in a shop context? In my area of the United States, self-checkout is one distinguishing factor between do-it-yourself shopping venues Home Depot and Lowes'. --Ceyockey 18:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
- I would avoid tag constructions such as shop:amenity=self-checkout. Imagine there is another "shop amenity" in the future, e.g. a children's corner. Following your approach, one would tag it shop:amenity=childrens_corner. But then how do you tag a shop with children's corner and self-checkout? shop:amenity=self-checkout;childrens_corner? Semi-colon value separator describes this problem. You can avoid it by doing it like this: self_checkout=yes. --Head 16:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Resolved: not actionable for edits on this page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 04:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Catering service
Resolved What about a catering service? Any ideas? Anyone? --Neil Dewhurst, Lyon France (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- Use the key office=* as it sells a service rather than a physical product? Warin61 (talk) 05:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Dairy
How about shop=dairy for smalls shop that sell mostly dairy products such as milk and cheese? I think that shop=convenience is closest, but a bit of an overstatement when it comes to the range of products available. --OSMfan (talk) 15:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- As of today, there are 58 instances of this in taginfo, though not a single one of those instances is in the United States. There are also a few outliers like "cheese_dairy", "Dairy", "dairy_products", "cheese dairy", "butcher; dairy" and "dairy produce". There are a lot more "cheese" instances (247) and additional outliers like "Cheese", "deli; cheese", "cheese;coffee;tea"; "seafood;cheese" and "cheese, milk products, fish". --Ceyockey (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Resolved: shop=dairy is documented Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Game shops
There should be someway to tag shops that sell games (ex: EB Games, Gamestop). As of now, shop=video_games and shop=games are in use, and I think both should be documented; shop=video_games for EB Games, Gamestop, and shop=games for board game stores like 401 Games, The Hairy Tarantula. -Cdrini (talk) 03:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 04:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Nut shop
I am adding some stores that sell peanuts, almonds, nuts, dried fruits and stuff. I don't know what's the best tag for them. In the discussion of shop=spices Talk:Tag:shop=spices, there is a recommendation to use shop=nuts. Looking into taginfo, I see there are only 24 shops tagged as nuts, 8 as nut and a few others tagged nut_something. I could use shop=greengrocer. What's the recommended tag for them? --Cserpell (talk) 03:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have the same question, for now I am putting shop=nuts as well, because there is no appropriate classification that I can find. Not sure what the process is for adding a new classification to this page. —Ynhockey (talk) 23:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- How about
- * shop=greengrocer
- * fruit:type=nuts
- I'm in favor of namespace subtags instead of inventing a new shop type for every purpose,
- so you may describe any mixture of shops (respectively their services or goods) rtfm Rtfm (talk) 08:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Resolved: shop=nuts is now documented Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC) Namespaces for shops
As already mentioned by User:Peter Reed in the Talk:shops talk, there's a need "to categorise the more difficult types of shop".
- Shops which sell several products currently need a second "shop=" node / way
- Services they offer can't be easily differentiated (in a standardised way)
- Tags like second_hand=yes or repair=yes may be confusing as you don't know which product is meant
(and if the whole shop is second hand or they just also offer it beside)
Instead of re-inventing each shop tagging for a more detailed specification,
there should be a namespace scheme for shops in general (as it otherwise leads to a mess of tags and endless discussions).
As an example, check shop=bicycle and shop=motorcycle and leave your comment here.
I'd like to collect some opinions before starting a proposal, especially for different kind of shops
(while shop=computer is comparable to the above mentioned, other shops may have other needs).
rtfm Rtfm (talk) 12:19, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- No, namespaces are not going to magically remove need for discussions Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 04:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)Tagging shop that is bakery and butcher shop at once
Resolved How should I tag such a shop? They are specialized in selling bread and various meat goods, but almost nothing else, so it's not really a convenience store like I've tagged it for now. And yep, it is a single shop, not two different ones. V1993 (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- 1) shop=bakery if it primarily sells bread + in the description=* tag type what it sells, 2) shop=butcher if it primarily sells meat + in the description=* tag type what it sells, 3) shop=deli if they are high quality products. maro21 16:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Listing shop=pottery
Resolved I propose to list Tag:shop=pottery on this page - tag makes sense and is used over 1000 times Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- If you do that it might worth mentioning what differences there might be between shop=pottery and craft=pottery since there's a lot of overlap between the two in many countries. Especially ones in less developed parts of the world. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- It is probably enough to mention that at dedicated shop page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:11, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- Added. maro21 16:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
List shop=newsagent?
Is there some reason for not listing here shop=newsagent? Over 28 000 uses even if that shop type is dying out Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- It's been on the list. maro21 16:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: Somehow I missed it Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)taginfo box looks weired
Can the taginfo-box be removed?
I'd just add a reference to Key:shop, where you can find the taginfo box again. --Werner2101 (talk) 11:36, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- +1, the taginfo box should not be in this template. --Tordanik 13:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
- removed it --Werner2101 (talk) 07:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 04:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)shop=vacant
I noticed you have reverted my recommendation not to use shop=vacant. I don't remember whether there was any discussion or other factor that triggered my edit. However, I still believe that shop=vacant does not make sense, and that the suggested alternative retains all of its supposed benefits:
- the disused:shop key also avoids confusing other mappers
- the disused:shop key also keeps the object intact and allows it to be reactivated if the shop reopens
For me, a major argument against using shop=vacant is that it contradicts the definition of the shop key ("A place selling retail products or services. "), as vacant shops don't sell anything. From a more practical perspective, it may be a good idea for certain applications to show all shops. With thousands of different shops, you really should be able to just filter using the shop=* key without having to deal with not-actually-shops. --Tordanik 19:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that shop=vacant makes no sense. I partially reverted revert to mention both views on the issue Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Balanced description seems OK for the moment. Bit long maybe. There's general discussion of this tag over at Talk:Tag:shop=vacant -- Harry Wood (talk) 14:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 04:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)shop=fuel
Please create a wiki page for shop=fuel so we can see what is meant by this. Even better would be a proposal. How does it border on a petrol station? --geozeisig (talk) 10:40, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
There is now a shop=fuel page that will explain the tag better. Also, see http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Fuel-shops-td5837796.html for some of the discussion on the Tagging list concerning this tag . AlaskaDave (talk) 07:17, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
- shop=fuel Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 04:33, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Resolved [Retired] shop=wedding_office
There are shops specialized in providing wedding services: catering, decoration, photographer/videocameraman, illumination, gifts, flowers...
This is a proposal to add this value to the shop tag: shop=wedding_office.
It will cover bussiness that provides wedding organization services. It is not to cover places wich provides only wedding dresses, which will be best covered by shop=clothes with clothes=wedding.
--Envite 13:41, 24 September 2010 (BST)
--Updated 22:18, 27 September 2010 (BST)
- Sounds like a reasonable value addition. --Ceyockey 01:02, 28 September 2010 (BST)
- This proposal is retired in favor of one in the office=* section. Shops are were you pay and get something material instead. Offices, were you pay for services, like lawyers, getting nothing material. Please look at Talk:Key:office as discussed in the mailing list. It is possible (still discussed) that a shop=bride_dresses will get into. --Envite 14:29, 28 September 2010 (BST)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Shop that handles pre-orders only
Trying to accurately map a groceries shop that handles online orders and then delivers online orders only through a physical branch. Is there any special tag and value for this? (link to said shop is here)
- That seems to be a company office accepting walk-ins, not a shop Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Rocks shops
Resolved We need a category for rock shops. They sell rocks for collectors, they are common in tourist areas in United Stated. They usually also sell fossils and some will also sell jewelry. Tags variations currently in use are: shop=gems, shop=rock, shop=rocks (may be others). --HubMiner (talk) 05:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
list shop=motorcycle_repair ?
Should we list shop=motorcycle_repair (over 6000 uses) on this page? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
- Added Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)shop=yes
Moved from Template_talk:Map_Features:shop[1] There are more shop values that are not on this list. Shop=yes is a bad example to mention here.
Leaving here even "use more specific value if possible" we give people choice. What if "more specific value doesn't come to someone's mind? They will tag shop=yes. And I really wanted to get rid of this tag. It's better to add lots of new "shop=" values than shop=yes. maro21 18:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note that it is page documenting in use values, used not only by mappers but also by data consumers. Maybe it can be mentioned outside table on Key:shop page directly? I also would want shop=yes to be eliminated (and put significant work into it) but we are not yet at stage to pretend that it does not exist. Maybe put more clear warning that using it as feature tag is a terrible idea and anything actually describing shop (even in Polish or Chinese! like shop=gotowe zupy) is better? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note that sadly shop=yes is used about 100 000 as standalone value, in last years it stagnated but is not yet dropping down Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: seems resolved to me Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC)list shop=food?
valid values, used over 2000 times, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfood Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:01, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Why not? Interesting, I've never heard of this tag. The tag looks correct and can be added. Maybe I should retag some shops like https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6772277912/history in my city. maro21 18:33, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Resolved list shop=shoe_repair
I propose to list https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dshoe_repair at this page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- I would completely agree. I would raise again the shortcoming of the current tagging philosophy which handle poorly cases where two or more mutually exclusive tags are needed.
One good example is the set of POIs which can be tagged with bothshop=locksmithandshop=shoe_repairin some cities this type of business are common and usually it is completely subjective to tell which of the two activity is the "main".
My proposed enhancement would be to use non-mutually exclusive keys, i.eservice:shoe:repair=yes(see comment in Talk:Key:service) Ernsterwinwg (talk) 07:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)- This one is a bit separate issue and more general and without good solution right now (representing object as two pois, new tags like service:shoe:repair=yes and ; separation all have own problems) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:41, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the off-topic, just wanted to mention this because many places which offer a shoe repair service are tagged as
shop=locksmith, at least extrapolating from the set I surveyed.
So if there is a threshold in terms of number of instances for listing shop values in this wiki page, in this case can be a bit misleading. Ernsterwinwg (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I support. I think we can list all the de facto shop tags here. maro21 18:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- In general I agree, but I also want to give people some time to review and potentially protest is given shop actually accepted in general Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: listed Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)shop=houseware
A shop that focuses on small items, like cutlery, crockery, decorative items. If they also have a significant selection of shop=furniture and shop=electronics, it should be specified separately with a semicolon.
- Should probably be shop=housewares, but that might be a US convention? --Ceyockey 01:04, 28 September 2010 (BST)
- I'm, not english native speaker, but I was tought it is houseware --Envite 14:24, 28 September 2010 (BST)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)shop=grocery
I propose to list https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dgrocery on page here.
"U.S. and Canadian "grocery stores" are mostly not shop=grocery in the sense of this tag. Use shop=supermarket or shop=convenience instead." is irritating, but as it stands now there is no alternative tagging for this kind of shops and no serious attempt to establish one
Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I support this. Ernsterwinwg (talk) 16:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- See also https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/considering-new-less-confusing-shop-value-for-shop-selling-dry-food-beans-rice-dried-fruits/104413 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: withdrawing this one Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:03, 19 October 2023 (UTC)shop=windows
This tag shouldn't be deprecated. The shop that sells the windows is a separate location/function to where the widows are constructed which is where the caft=window_construction tag should be used. --DaveF63
- I removed the tag from this list. maro21 23:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:shop&diff=next&oldid=2602360 - why you undone this edit? Do you plan to participate in discussion? @DaveF63: - removal of shop=windows from this list seems like a good action to me Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- Shop=windows has too few uses to be on this list. maro21 22:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: shop=windows removed from list Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)shop=communication
For a shop selling telephone and internet access, all the rage at the moment. Longbow4u 22:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- In Belgium we call them "telecom" shops. --Skratz 14:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- See Talk:Key:internet_access#internet access shop -- Harry Wood 18:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Resolved: Is listed now Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)delicatessen shop
I´d like to see a delicatessen shop added to the list. Both shop=deli and shop=delicatessen are used equally often or seldom. Any opinion on that? --Gkai 18:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Resolved: shop=deli is listed now Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)Company identification numbers
In many countries each company has a Company identification number. less ambiguous than its name too. This would be a valuable addition to the database for future direct searches. Jidanni (talk) 00:00, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Are you proposing something actionable? @Jidanni: How exactly you propose to edit this page? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:12, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: no specific action proposed Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)