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Japanese translation

I created an Japanese translations of the About and Browsing page. I added it into the About's menu.

But I can't get success to access to, I translated that in my imagination, that are may including impropriety. The page showing message 'loading tie..', but don't to going next to showing any. I thinking that translations are right on still, and thinks to see the page again more times ago. --Akanemoto 16:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm also having problems with the site. Connections to the image tile server time-out [1]. And I also can't get the java browser to work, they also time-out (though I am behind a proxy so it could be that). I think some servers must be down. I do hope they fix it! --H2g2bob 00:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I presume these comments are out of date. Any issues seeing the maps when accessing from japan at the moment?
Thanks for creating the translations. We'd like to attract more contributors to Mapping Japan!-- Harry Wood 14:49, 15 October 2007 (BST)

"OpenStreetMap" on Wikipedia

Better think about updating wikipedia:OpenStreetMap then, it describes the situation from about 6 months ago... Ojw 23:27, 5 Aug 2006 (BST)

Seems to be reasonably up-to-date now, but one to keep an eye on.
There is also WikiProject OpenStreetMap on wikipedia.
...and we have a page called Collaboration with Wikipedia which lists the various things we are doing/could do. -- Harry Wood 14:40, 15 October 2007 (BST)

et lt Language codes

I hope that et/eesti is really Estonian nad lt/lietuviu Lithuanian, but maybe someone should verify it. -- Square, 19:29, 23 Feb 2007 (UTC)

You talking about the language links at the top of the main page? There's no et or lt on there now. Not sure what the overall wiki translations strategy is, but I guess someone decided that we don't want red links up there (languages for which we dont have a main page translation) -- Harry Wood 14:40, 15 October 2007 (BST)

Another Name for OpenStreetMap

In my oppinion OpenstreetMap is not a good name for the project, because OpenStreetMap suggests that only streets are mapped or that the main purpose is to create a map for street-navigation. But there are although railways, tracks or other topographical information. If you start a project like this nobody knows which possibilities the future will bring. We shouldn't limit by the name the scope of the project. Therefore I would suggest an new name for it, e.g. only OpenMap (ok this already exists but perhaps something similar) or following Wikipedia Wikimaps. Tk 13:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It was openstreetmap when it started but now it is so much more. Wikimaps is what I also thourght of, and like the sound of. Ben. 00:35 4th January 2007 (UTC)
why not even get the wikimedia foundation to host it? They certainly have the server power --Deelkar (talk) 13:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I like OpenStreetMap. I see someone opening a map and looking around. It's a great brand. An abstract name like Geospacial Community Licensed Metadata may make a good name for a paper but not a good brand. --Korea 11:19, 21 June 2007 (BST)
Speaking from a marketing perspective, it is way to late to change the name. OpenStreetMap is a brand now and changing the name would severly harm publicity efforts. --Peter.doerrie 13:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree. The original comments were made 2 years ago. Ben 12:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

A Forum for OSM

  • Folks, why not creating a Forum for OSM discussion, exchange of experiences, etc? This way people could answer more questions, share thoughts, etc.
  • There used to be one here, but it seems to have been shut down. Most people use the Mailing lists instead. Bruce89 16:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I am greatly in favour of a forum - it would be the perfect way of co-ordinating who is doing what in the different countries, prevent the same question being asked many times and be a big improvement over mailing lists, which are not interactive.
  • Since when are mailing lists not interactive? Sure, they are not as easy to use as a forum, but that's just the way things are around here. Bruce89 14:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Would Google Groups permit the formation of a OSM discussion forum? Rhoel 13:07, 27 January 2007. (06.07 UTC)
  • I would definitely prefer a web based forum to the current mailing list. "Sure, they are not as easy to use as a forum, but that's just the way things are around here." Well, why not make things as easy as possible for new users? Setting up phpBB is quite easy and gives the users more options. Johnrobot 13:40, 3 Feb 2007
  • In my opinion phpBB is a pain to take care of for all it's security issues. Dekarl 12:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Does anyone know why the forum was shut down, I assume it was lack of traffic. Bruce89 23:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I noticed this about a fortnight ago (didn't spot this disscussion). Its a little anoying. It was covered in spam, and although I still used it along with a few others it was incredably hard to make out the real posts from the spam. It really needs to be moderated. If nessesery I would have removed the spam because I think the forum was a good means of communication and wouldnt have involved that much effort to keep it clean. Its "closure" is a bit of a step backwards. Ben. 00:24 4th February 2007 (UTC)
  • I am willing to pay for and setup a webbased forum. The forum could then be hosted in The Netherlands on a (shared) co-located server having 1GB storage and 25GB traffic/month (which should be more then enough). To ensure the forum contents stays available to the community, a copy of the database could periodically be uploaded to or so. Please give me feedback on this idea, so I can decide if I put the effort in etc. Thanks. --Lambertus 10:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Your willingness to spend money is commendable. But I wouldn't use the forum. I have a hard time following all the mailinglists and the Wiki, already miss out on stuff discussed on IRC, couldn't handle a forum on top of that. --Frederik Ramm 10:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Frederik: please read - you need to subdivide properly, have proper search capabilities, and also you need to worry less, focus more. you are in charge of a BIG project, the importance of which will slowly become more apparent with time. So, you need less "control" and more "structure", so that other people can help. Lkcl 13:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm sure the time factor is more important then the money. Your points are certainly valid, but forums sure fill in a gap: Wiki's are great for collaborating and maintaining information, but aren't primarily intended (and properly equipped) for use as a discussion platform. Mailing lists and forums serve the same function and are therefore subject to opinions which may vary. IRC is fine when many users are online, but you cannot easily post a question and check back a day later to see if anyone bothered to answer. So eventually it comes down to gut feelings I guess. There are a lot of people preferring forums over mailing lists and vice versa, so why not give them a choice. After all it is possible to setup a mailing list <-> forum gateway so you won't have to miss anything. --Lambertus 11:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • We maybe have too many Contact channels... and definitely too many Accounts (username/passwords/registration procedures)!
  • Here's an option which might be worth investigating: 'MediaWiki Bulletin Board' extension. See an installation running here: This gives us a forum, as part of the the wiki. Same user accounts, and also all the same wiki syntax still works, including [[square bracket links]] to wiki pages.
  • Trouble is it's version 0.1 and very rough around the edges (cosmetically speaking at least). Also posts don't show up in Special:Recentchanges, which means it's still creating another place where we need to go to check for updates. -- Harry Wood 11:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I discussed some of this by e-mail with Steve the other day. The consensus of the OSM community at the moment seems to be against a forum (it was discussed on not that long ago). However, there are definitely things we can do to make it easier for newbies to get help from the community: we're considering them right now. More soon. --Richard 11:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The problem is that the opinions on a forum based on a user, or users, opinions from a mailing list are not really going to mean that much. Users, such as myself, that would far prefer to be using a forum to communicate, appear far less often on the ML than those who prefer a mailing list, so its not clear what percentage of people that come to osm would wish to use a forum over a ML. I think a lot of people that arive for a first time at OSM and can't instantly view a forum also would not really see OSM in its real, very active, form. With there being a forum, it doesn't stop, or in any way cause a problem, to the mailinglist, therefore people being 'against a forum' shouldn't be a factor, but rather, how many people are for one.
  • Does anybody know who was behind the levertons forum, what happened to it, and is there anyway of just shifting that one, or even just reopening it? It just seemed to suddenly go in a flash, and nothing said, and nothings ever been answered. Ben. 23:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Leverton's forum was disabled mainly because the administrator was unable to stop the large amount of spam entering the forum. I have received a copy of that forum and imported it into a new one. You can find the new OSM forum here. If it proves successful it should be possible to embed it into the Wiki site. Authentication could then be handled by the Wiki, making it even more userfriendly. --Lambertus 13:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • There is a forum on the main server.
Yes, that's the same forum as discussed in the paragraph above. If you browse to you will be redirected to it. --Lambertus 09:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Height data/ Contours

I'm pretty new to OpenStreetMap so sorry if this has already been discussed many times before. I'm interested in putting free mountain walking maps on the web. I had thought this would be beyond what was possible using OSM, but note that free NASA height data is available in the tools. Is there any way of getting this data to show contours on the OSM map?

Is there any other way I could do this sort of thing? We at walkhighlands are gps surveying walks around the (Scottish) highlands could potentially offer alot of data to OSM over the next couple of years.

Freemap is a customised OSM map with SRTM contours, but I am not sure how this is done. There was a message today on the mailing list about an SRTM contours WMS server which would be useful, but the coverage doesn't include all of Scotland. Bruce89 14:25, 10 May 2007 (BST)
You could use the GRASS GIS to do that. You can fetch NASA-landsat-layers there, fetch NASA-worldwind_dem (digital elevation model) and import OSM-data. With the grass-module "r.contour" you can create vector-maps with the height-lines from the dem. Here's some pics:
Using landsat as background, worldwind_dem for height-data, green lines is OSM-data (only "highway"-tagged-ways) and blue lines are the heightlines, derived from worldwind_dem --Jannis 15:08, 22 July 2007 (BST)

Lots more useful help over on the Contours page! --Tms13 17:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

How to get OpenStreetMap's MetaData for particular city

OpenStreetMap is very good project however it is so difficult to use, especially for new users.

When users want to use OpenStreetMap, the first question come through their mind: "Does OpenStreetMap support my city?"

To answer the first question, users will search for their city name in OpenStreetMap website.

If they can find their city are mapped completely, then the second question will come through their mind: "How do I get my city map in both picture format and metadata format from OpenStreetMap?"

To get their city map in picture format, they just need to save .png file from OpenStreetMap.

However, it is very difficult for new users to get the metadata for their city from OpenStreetMap. They need to know their city lat/lon and get piece by piece metadata or get all metadata from OpenStreetMap.

If OpenStreetMap can provide a simple but effective function like below then it will really good:

1. Search for city name

2. Have a button to save metadata of the map on the screen in current view level to users PC.

For example: Cambridge city map is look very nice in picture format: [2]

Then OpenStreetMap provides a button "Save metadata" next to the Cambridge picture. When users press on that button they will get all metadata which are used to generate that Cambridge picture.

User:Vllp - 04:06, 12 June 2007

Update User can get metadata for their city by using Export tab. -- User:Vllp - on 15-May-2008.
"Meta data"? It's not really "Meta data". It's the openstreetmap XML formatted data. Same as a .osm file saved out of JOSM. It's THE data. Nothing "meta" about it. -- Harry Wood 09:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Maps which users can type in the street name

Does anyone know of any programs that allow a user to type in a street name and find it? Do any of these programs allow this?

Also why not allow anons to edit? You can add the simple addition filter (40+3) to this webpage that is already on the registration page without requiring cumbersome registration. Odessaukrain 16:06, 13 October 2007 (BST)

"type in a street name and find it"? Well we have a Search feature (search box appearing bottom left on the map display) Is that what you mean?
And do you mean anonymous map editing or anonymous wiki editing?
-- Harry Wood 14:02, 15 October 2007 (BST)

OH, my GOD! I just deleted like 3000 vectors. What to do?

I had edited an island for many hours when I wanted to merge some vecors so that the island would be made as "one". I unfortunatly pressed shift+del, and I am now almost crying- I deleted ALL vecors! D: Is there any CTRL-Z?? The area mentioned is Lidingö (search for it). Thank you. I am really sorry for what I have done!

First, don't close JOSM or your browser window! Then tell use what you are actually editing in. JOSM has Ctrl-Z, Potlatch also has some undo button. And don't panic :) --Colin Marquardt 21:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the input! I was editing in the browser window. Please if there is a CTRL-Z, what is it? I accidentally deleted the whole border of the island (Lidingö) so now it is no more an island (crying)! What to do?! =(
Oh, I misremembered about th eundo in Potlatch, sorry. Not sure what to do now. You could try it on one of the mailing lists. --Colin Marquardt 22:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Well if you were editing in Potlatch then you would've deleted data which was previously uploaded into the OSM database. You're delete command is just the latest edit in the editing history. All the old data is still there in the database.
So all we need to do is do a Change rollback! ...unfortunately that features has not been developed yet :-(
The data is there though. I think the Protocol only supports an operation to look back at who created/editing one specified Data Primitive. In this case we need to wind back time on a whole bounded-box of data. So that, I think, will only be doable by direct database fiddling at the current time (therefore only doable by sysadmins)
...or someone could fish out a BBOX from an old weekly planet.osm dump. That's very doable, and will rescue all the data which was present up till that point. Did you make a lot of very recent edits in the deleted area?
-- Harry Wood 11:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Direct database fiddling is always likely to cause trouble later. I think we should just look at a recent planet file and see if we can get the coastline back from there; if not, a coastline is often easily created from existing data so no need to panic. Please don't delete London though. --Frederik Ramm 23:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I have had quite a lot of things to do lately. Hmm... My hometown is still borderless :( I'm really not that experienced with the programs mentioned, I just edited the map online. Is there any possibility someone would like to help me out, restoring all those vectors? :(
Just wait a week or so and you'll be able to use Potlatch to undelete it. Have patience. :) --Richard 13:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Yay! Thanks!!
Richard, how's it going with the Ctrl-Z?? Im eager to start using it! Thanks!
I've been waiting for people to test it on their own OSM installs, but they're not being particularly good at that. :( So I'll probably make it live next week anyway. Sorry for the delay. --Richard 16:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, it's live! Find out how it works at Potlatch/Primer. --Richard 14:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Big problem in North America

Hi, I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but I don't know where else to put it:

Check out this link:

If you look near London, Ontario, CA you will see two big - square / triangle looking shapes that look like they are part of the great lakes. There are not lakes and I can not figure out how to get rid of them. Anyone know how to fix this problem? Also Anyone know why the great lakes do not appear until you zoom in pretty far?

--Tommycw1 19:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that's a fairly typical kind of mess which happens when there's a small problem with the coastline data. I took a look, and found a section of the coast where the way was in the wrong direction. Probably somebody fiddled with it recently. Direction of the way is important, as explained on Tag:natural=coastline. So hopefully that was the only problem there. We'll see if it renders properly next time around. -- Harry Wood 10:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a bunch of land squares off the southeast of the US, a water square cutting into the coastline in the same general area, and northern canada is a mess. Any idea how to figure out what's wrong? Random832 20:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Use the coastline error checker -- Harry Wood 11:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Newbie question: key or legend for map?

I can't find pages for e.g. key or legend so I will comment here instead! I noticed that the slippy map at the main page displays lots of lovely little icons for interesting places/buildings without really explaining what they are which is a bit of a fiddle.

Is there some way to get a legend or key up to explain what they all are? I understand that there are probably zillions of them most of which aren't going to appear on any particular rendering, but if there was a map legend section that automatically displayed the relevant symbols that do appear on a particular page it'd be really neat.

I also noticed with the mapnik renderer you can click on e.g. a church icon and it will be centered on the screen which is nice. But some of the icons do not have an obvious meaning, it's a shame that at least for the one you've just clicked on, a label can't come up for it (perhaps only for a few seconds, or which gets switched off if you click on the icon again) that just says what type of thing it is representing? IHaveAQuestion

There is a key - just click on 'Map key' on the left of the page. --Richard 06:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
The location of that link is absolutely terrible in terms of usability — I've been using OSM for a year and I never realized it exists. If it's about the map, it should be on the map, not tucked away next to "Blog" and "Shop".
Also, the key describes terrains and roads, but the only two icons it covers are "railway station" and "peak". OpenLayers has recently added hover support, so it shouldn't be too hard to implement IHAQ's suggestion. Jpatokal 12:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
The data layer lets you click on things to find out what their tags are. Some kind of hover support might be interesting for the default map, but then it would slow down the page loading time. -- Harry Wood 15:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The key seems to only be for mapnik, and extremely minimal (with symbols). Is there anyway, or more specifically any intention that it's ever going be made so that everyone can contribute to this and keep it updated and a lot more complete in terms of features and what layers it works on? Ben 12:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The map keys are static images, one for each zoom level. They're checked into Subversion here: which kind of means that "everyone can contribute to this and keep it updated", but in practice not really. User:Steve8 created them, and I think he probably has a simple means of re-creating them after adding new things. Somebody else directly manipulating these images would be counter-productive. Better to ask him to do it. A separate set of key images for Osmarender might be a possibility -- Harry Wood 15:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


Don't know where to put this but the RSS feed of the "recent changes" page doesn't seem to work. Could this be fixed? Thanks! -- Cimm

Seems to be fine now. I think we've since gone through mediawiki upgrade, so that probably fixed it.
- RSS feed of OSM wiki recent changes
- atom feed of OSM wiki recent changes
-- Harry Wood 14:52, 15 October 2007 (BST)
My Firefox says 'Access Denied' if I want to view the RSS feeds, even If I'm logged in. Would be cool if this would be checked again --!i! 11:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
RSS is currently disabled. Talk:Wiki#RSS Access Denied Error is the correct place to discuss this. I'll delete this section from here shortly. -- Harry Wood 11:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, might it be possible to add an RSS feed acess to the last changes in my watchlist? Would be good to notice changes --!i! 07:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Talk:Wiki#RSS Access Denied Error is the correct place to discuss this. -- Harry Wood 10:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Username or email address?

If I create an account on, I am asked for my email address and a password. If I try to connect to the OSM server with JOSM, I am asked for a username and a password. Can someone explain this inconsistency? Are my username and my email address considered the same thing? Novem 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

username and email address work in all cases. It is a bit inconsistent to ask for one in one place and the other elsewhere, but the OSM login page has since been redesigned -- Harry Wood 11:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Description and tags for GPS traces

On the GPS traces upload form, there are two text boxes labeled "description" and "tags". There is no information on the wiki Upload page as to what kind of info I am supposed to write in those boxes. Is there any convention? I have looked at some traces from other users, and there doesn't seem to be one. Some people tag their GPS traces with the name of their city. Some people tag them with every geographical set the trace belongs to, from street to country. Some people separate their tags with commas, some separate them with spaces only. Some people don't use tags at all. Maybe there should at least be some informal agreement. Novem 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

now documented here: Upload#Tagging ...although it's still a freeform free-for-all, but then that's how tags work on other services e.g. flickr, technorati. -- Harry Wood 11:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Forum link

Please could the forum be linked to from the main page (wiki and map) i didn't know it existed till i accidentally stunmbled accross this message. I find that with a forum versus a mailing list i can more readily filter the topics im following and ignore those with no relevance, and searching is always useful! --Farrpau 17:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The forum is now linked as from the wiki Main Page. See #Quick Contact Template? discussion above -- Harry Wood 11:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Newbie - uploading to OSM

I've GPSed about 70km of paths, some unmetaled tracks and roads for my own use. I stumbled across OSM and though that it would be publicly spirited to upload them, but was annoyed to see that the tracks are lost and I'm expected to go through and trace over the points to recreate them. Why should I bother ? -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 20:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You can transform a GPS track into a OSM way in Potlatch, by selecting the GPS track and then clicking the little lock symbol in the bottom left corner of the editor window. Remember though that some tracks might be too long and you then need to split track then by selecting a node of the track and hitting X. You will need to postprocess most tracks anyway to get rid of junk. --Petz 21:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Petz. I'm using JOSM though and I've tried the equivilent option, but I held back from uploading it because of the messages on OSM telling you not to do so. I've already processed the raw GPS data on GPS Utility as far as possible and I switched the GPS tracking off so that I didn't duplicate tracks. There's about 7,000 points and I'd like to keep the resolution (10m) so it's an awful lot of, what I see as, unecessary work. Call me vain, but I'd like to be credited for the work, so not really interested in uploading for others to help <g> ! Part of the problem may be that I'm not that good at finding my way around JOSM - I don't find the help very helpful ! -- John (Daytona2·Talk·Contribs) 16:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Licence change box?

What's happened to the licence change box at the top of the wiki? --Davespod 22:20, 9 August 2010 (BST)

Back. I removed it until the upgraded MediaWiki install had settled down. --Firefishy 23:05, 9 August 2010 (BST)

You have killed accessibility! Accessibility is back again

Since today the wiki can not be edited any more calculating plus or minus, now you have to be able to see a captcha image. There is no accessibility feature like acoustic output. Revert immediately. You are inhibiting our blind contributors to stay with us!!! --Lulu-Ann 18:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Slightly overstated. Only new signups had to enter captcha or those who posted external links. Suggest links for whitelisting here. Anyway I have fixed the reCaptcha code and enabled that now. -- Firefishy 21:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the quick reaction on this issue. :-)) --Lulu-Ann 22:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Kosmos Deprecated?

I suggest removing the link to Kosmos (Portals box, Renders section). The Kosmos page says:

"Kosmos is no longer actively maintained, since it has been replaced by a new tool called Maperitive."

--Dobratzp 15:43, 5 October 2011 (BST)

I agree. In fact I've done it -- Harry Wood 19:48, 5 October 2011 (BST)

"upcoming license change" text

Why is the link for "Find out more about OpenStreetMap's upcoming license change" on another website - where ppl can neither edit nor even comment on?? --amai 19:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes there really should be a comment option. I've added a discussion link. Is it ok? -- 21:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Who has removed the wiki link from ?!

Put it back in place! --Lulu-Ann 08:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The text of the link was renamed to say "Documentation". This discussion does not concern the wiki "Main Page" and should be moved. Perhaps to Talk:Front Page Design -- Harry Wood 13:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Mainpage not fitting on my 1024*768 screen

Resolved: katpatuka 04:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The mainpage is not fitting onto my 1024*768 screen - I have to scroll to the right to see the right side... --katpatuka 12:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Screen size

Can we fix whatever is causing the main page to not fit on screen? Is it the table in template:portals? We can't have a main page that you have to scroll right just to see half of it! Ojw 12:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I suggest a 1024px width layout, and removing the box "Show me the map!". -- ck3d 14:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

username change

Hi, can somebody change my username to Olli ? and when are you applying the new Vector skin ? --Ollii 08:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

wrong place to ask. Talk:Wiki is probably better -- Harry Wood 21:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Two and half years with no follow up. I guess we can archive this -- Harry Wood (talk) 01:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)