Talk:Wiki/Archive 7

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Replacing the SlippyMap extension

There have been some bugs [1][2] with the unmaintained Slippy Map MediaWiki Extension and there was some discussion how we can replace it (see above). I now opened a request to add MultiMaps extension to this wiki to replace it (Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/chef/pull/241). I have outlined how this can be done using a bot at page User:TigerfellBot.

This is a pre-notification (because noting is installed yet). I plan to follow the steps of Automated Edits code of conduct, but in case someone has a question or objection, you can already raise it here. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:33, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Can you please post a link to some wiki page with a map shown by this new extension? --Hufkratzer (talk) 11:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Basically, you just place a Leaflet box with a map on the page. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 17:27, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
The last map on page http://fr.nvcwiki.com/index.php/NVCwiki:Mise_à_jour_en_cours contains a layer switcher. Is this also availabe in the OSM wiki? How? I couldn't find that in Extension:MultiMaps/Documentation --Hufkratzer (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
This map does not use Leaflet, but some Yandex framework. There will be no layer switcher as of now, but you can select from two different tile providers (OSM standard and Thunderforest transport) by using the service parameter. This is similar to Slippy Map MediaWiki Extension. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 19:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Update: The extension is available for about two months now, but there is a problem with the transportation layer. We are running version 0.7.2 which can not display them, because the never version 0.7.3 which can was not tested on MediaWiki 1.31 (current (LTS) version of this wiki). Since the whole backporting process has stalled about three weeks ago, I guess we will be waiting for version 1.34 of MediaWiki. This version will be probably compatible with 0.7.3 of MultiMaps. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 11:21, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Update 2: The changes were backported yesterday, so the transport maps are available as of now.

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--Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 12:54, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I would like to start replacing the SlippyMap extension automatically using my account TigerfellBot. You can find the more details on the user page. I also created a new test version of Template:Place at User:Tigerfell/Sandbox. If you would like to test it, you can use Special:ExpandTemplates. In case of questions or concerns, please speak up now. Otherwise, I would execute my plans no earlier than in two weeks from now. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 12:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

I don’t see any objection to going ahead.--Andrew (talk) 08:12, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Removing "WikiProject" prefix

Hi, I am Daniel, from Spain. I am renaming the wiki pages related to country mapping project to remove the "Wikiproject" prefix following the pages name conventions.

I have already renamed the United States, Canada, Spain, and all Spanish-speaking countries mapping project pages. I am in contact with the communities in Australia and New Zealand to find out if you would like to rename their country pages as well.

If anyone wants to collaborate, you're very welcome! We need volunteers. (I recommend contacting the local communities first to avoid unnecessary discussions.)

Thank you! --Dcapillae (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I am currently in a loose contact with the mappers from Bangladesh. As it turns out now, they are confused by the prefix and want to restructure the country-specific pages. (Not sure if they just consider doing something of if they have a clear mission.) --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 09:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Map data in the wiki

How could you read element data (coordinates, membership, tags) from the map and use or display it in the wiki? --Andrew (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Usually you format examples manually. For example {{tag|highway|motorway}} is displayed as highway=motorway Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Link in left menu

I think this discussion should have a link in the left menu. WDYT?--PangoSE (talk) 09:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Any objections if I would add this? --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 21:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Seems OK Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:59, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 13:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Statistics?

Hi, I would like to see some statistics on how the wiki is used. Are there any available? E.g. I would like to know how many different people/computers ever changed the wiki, number of total users, number of active users, etc.--09:10, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

The first question is pretty tricky, because it is difficult to map user accounts to computers or people, but for the rest there is Special:Statistics. Some visualization can be found in https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/OpenStreetMap_Wiki as well. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!--PangoSE (talk) 13:14, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Where can I propose properties for the wikibase items?

@yurik--PangoSE (talk) 13:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

@PangoSE The talk page of the Data items has worked pretty well for now (due to low volume). We are nowhere near the user base of Wikidata :) --Yurik (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Current requests for configuration changes

During the last three days, three requests for configuration changes of the wiki were made. This is a summary, in case someone interested does not watch the repositories.

Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/operations/issues/351
requests the activation of the feature mw:Catwatch which lets users track the addition and removal of pages from a specific category.
Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/operations/issues/352
suggests to rename the mw:Wikibase instance on wiki.osm.org from "OpenStreetMap Wiki" to avoid confusing texts in the wiki's interface.
Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/operations/issues/353
asks to raise the AbuseFilter throttling thresholds, because filter 10 (labelling data items edits) hit the limits.

FYI --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 22:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for giving us info here! Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Archiving bot

Do we have a bot on this wiki, that can archive talk pages (like on en.Wikipedia (example))? If not, do we have someone willing and able to run one?

What would be its configuration? Due to lower traffic and different types of discussion sometimes we have discussions that should be archived within days, we have some discussions started 5 years ago, with last comment 2 years ago that should not be archived. At this moment I am often archiving resolved discussions manually and it seems work well (takes less effort than running bot and has better effects) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Formatting (left side) of Template:PossibleSynonym

It seems something changed the formatting of the PossibleSynonym-Box, currently it's not more left-justified, see also Screenshot:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:PossibleSynonym-Box_not_left-justified.jpeg
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:artwork_type%3Dsculpture
Is this template related or wikimedia-software related, how could it be fixed?--MalgiK (talk) 16:13, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The "Place" template has also been aligned to the left from yesterday to today. I don't know the cause. --Dcapillae (talk) 16:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The issue was apparently a change of template dir. The default text direction was switched, if I am not mistaken. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 23:48, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing. --MalgiK (talk) 12:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikibase entry: evidence for preceding deletion?

I've just created landuse=research, but the data item https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q19947&action=history was already existing in December '19.

How was the data item then created?--Cheeto (talk) 02:53, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Possibly the tag already existed on Taginfo. A bot create all significantly used keys and tags, and will continue creating these items when they are detected in the OSM database (Taginfo API) or on the wiki. See Item Creation Process for more details. --Dcapillae (talk) 08:34, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Searching option for all osm-wiki-database changes of one specific day in the past

There is a default menu item Special:RecentChanges to see all recent wiki-database changes. But lets say i want to see all changes from day 2012-04-28 (and 2012-04-29). Is this possible in some way? --MalgiK (talk) 16:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

This information is stored in recentchanges table (MediaWiki manual). Entries will be removed after 90 days by default. If the edits triggered an abuse filter, you could use the abuse log. This example lists all hits of filter 1 between 24 April and 4 May 2014 for instance. The oldest log entry of any abuse filter I can see was on 12 August 2013. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 11:23, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
It is probably possible to download full wiki dump and filter history. But it is not something trivial to do. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Consequences of novice user making undiscussed template changes

Today, there was an incident with a new user changing commonly used templates without discussion (Template:Ambox for instance) and copying template code from some Wikipedia. As an emergency response, I blocked the user and asked them to comment on their talk page. Jeisenbe already had already left a message there. The user did not respond so far and I undid their changes for now (a white box for delete requests was just to confusing for me).

I am wondering whether we need some measure to prevent such actions or if that is just some issue that happens sometimes. Wikipedia protected many commonly used templates, but I am personally not that keen to monitor many pages for change requests and it would annoy me as an editor to be forced to ask for template changes. Maybe semi-protection or some abuse filter? Is it even necessary? What do you think? --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 23:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I also think the wiki should be editable by any user as much as possible without asking permission. However, I think it's a good idea to use semi-protection or some abuse filter for the most widely used templates or pages that rarely need to be modified. --Dcapillae (talk) 23:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
It's a good idea to protect the templates and modules. These are quite confusing and difficult to edit, so everything ought to be discussed and checked by an experienced editor first. --Jeisenbe (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Resolved: I semi-protected Template:Ambox and Template:Delete for now. Template:Mbox and Template:Ombox seem to be significantly less used. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! At this moment admin-only edit lock is fortunately not needed but semi protection is a good idea for critical templates Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Blogs link goes to German page

The Blogs link on the sidebar goes to DE:OSM Blogs when the user interface language is English. --Andrew (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, that was my fault. I undid my edit. I think I tried to link the German menu bar to the German blog page which is strangely not working. I guess I am doing something wrong there... --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 15:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding a new tile layer for the wiki map display

Resolved: --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 20:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I would like to add two new tile layers to the map displays in this wiki. First of all, I would like to add Cycle layer a.k.a. OpenCycleMap which is also available on osm.org. When writing the configuration code to include the MediaWiki extension, I simply forgot it, so now there are only Standard tile layer and Transport Map.

Secondly, I would like to add a style by OSM France https://tile.openstreetmap.fr. The criteria for featured tile layers in the wiki is similar to the ones on the main web page. OSM-FR seems to fulfil all hard criteria. I would like to ask the wiki community if they have any comments on this topic. I have already asked the administrators if they agree (Blacktocat.svg osm-fr/infrastructure/issues/153). In February 2020, I opened a pull request (Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/chef/pull/278) before I was made aware that even the addition of a tile layer in the wiki requires a formal request.

If the fellow users approve the suggestion, I would forward it to OWG.

PS: There is also the suggestion to add OSM-FR to the main webpage [3], which is more than what I request. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 11:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea if it is doable without too much trouble Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Is it also possible to add the Humanitarian (HDM / HOT) layer, or is that already available? --Jeisenbe (talk) 19:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
As I wrote, there are Standard tile layer and Transport map tile layer only. It is possible to add the HOT layer, but as explained in Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/chef/pull/278#issuecomment-599047558 I can not really see a use case. Feel free to correct me! It might be easier for the system administrators if there is an equal list of tile layers on the home page and the wiki. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

All featured tile layers are now available using the wiki extension. This includes Humanitarian and excludes OSM-FR. It turned out to be simpler to have one list of featured tile layers. You can find the updated documentation at Wiki:Maps. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 20:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Possible vandalism

Hi, I have reverted some changes in the wiki because possible vandalism by User:Mroan. @Tigerfell, could you take a look at it too? Thank you. --Dcapillae (talk) 18:39, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Lyx blocked the user. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Picture / file upload - edit level

It seems there is a certain count of wiki-edits needed to get the option to upload files/pictures, see comment. How many edits a new account needs to perform, after the uploading function is unlocked? --MalgiK (talk) 10:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

It is explained at Wiki:Autoconfirmed users and the system configuration is available from https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/blob/master/cookbooks/mediawiki/templates/default/LocalSettings.php.erb#L248. This has been a bit cryptic on purpose, hoping the missing information would hinder spam bots. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 09:27, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. --MalgiK (talk) 21:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Possible spam user

Hi, I have reverted this wiki edition (possible spam user). --Dcapillae (talk) 20:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I have set a limited block for one week; during that time the user can only edit his own talk page. --Lyx (talk) 22:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Pages shown as members in translated categories but without language code

Sometimes, especially for <LanguaceCode>:Tag:<key>=<value> pages, a page is inserted automatically in a Group category which lacks the language code (e.g. Category:Negozi instead of Category:IT:Negozi, where "negozi" is the italian word for "shops").

Detailed example:

IT:Tag:shop=clothes which, when visited, is shown to be in group/category Category:IT:Negozi but it's not listed as a member of that page. Instead, it's listed as a member of Category:Negozi which doesn't exist. I have created Category:IT:Shops as a redirect to Category:IT:Negozi and translated to Italian the related labels of the two data items shop and shops.

The same seems to happen for Category:Straßen instead of Category:DE:Straßen but in this case both of them do not exist yet.

--Marcor (talk) 05:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

In case the category with the language prefix does not exist Template:ValueDescription assigns a potentially non-existing category without the language prefix. This happened to the German pages. In case of the Italian pages, you created Category:IT:Negozi on 15 September. Afterwards, the wiki pages were updated (either automatically or someone purged them). However, the category index was not updated (I am guessing based on previous problems with this wiki, so if someone knows it, please correct me.). I fixed IT:Tag:shop=clothes and IT:Tag:shop=electrical by doing a null edit. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your response and for fixing the issue with Category:IT:Negozi (Category:Negozi is currently empty); I wasn't aware of the existence of null edits, let alone that even normal users could do them. Today, I've created a category for "Strade" (Highways in Italian) and I fixed the same problem with some null edits. Thanks again! P.S. I think I did some purge requests when trying to figure out what I was doing wrong but as far as I remember it didn't work. --Marcor (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)