Talk:Wiki/Archive 8

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Exclude OSM-Wikibase edits from Recent Changes

How can I exclude the Wikibase ("OSM Wikidata") from Special:RecentChanges? hideWikibase doesn't work: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hideWikibase=1 --Furusato (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you can use the filters and exclude the "Item" namespace. --Dcapillae (talk) 08:40, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Gadgets and Extensions for Microgrant Applications

Hi, I am Geoffrey, a member of the Microgrants Committee. We have added the Probox Template to the OSM Wiki copied from Wikimedia's Rapid Grants to be used for the microgrant applicants like this one. We would also like to add Join and Endorse buttons to the template to make it easier for the community to endorse or join they want to support. Adding the Join and Endorse buttons requires to add the Meta:AddMe page gadgets.

The Microgrant Program is starting this year, and is expected to continue every year, depending on the number of applications that come in, it means that the template and its extensions will be used on several pages. Add the buttons can also be used for endorsing other proposals like the Tagging Proposals.

We would also like to install the DynamicPageList extension that would allow us to automatically create a list of applications under the different categories ie Open, Draft, Funded, Withdrawn, Ineligible, Not Funded. Please let us know if there is an other easy way to do this that is already existing.

I would like to get your feedback and help to get these gadgets and extensions installed, if it is established that they are necessary and can be added to the OSM Wiki -- Kateregga1 (talk) 13:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Request for code review

After rationalising {{StatusLang}}, statuses whose translations into the language of the page are missing are no longer highlighted like thisHelp translate this into English!. I have written an extra routine, getTranslation, to do what StatusLang needs including wrapping English text with {{TranslateThis}} when there is nothing in the language of the page. I would appreciate any comments. --Andrew (talk) 11:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Unconfirmed users that want to upload images to the wiki

Hi,

In the forum, there were two cases ([1], [2]) of users that wanted to upload images, but they are not in the Autoconfirmed user group. Wikipedia seems to have a mechanism to grand "confirmation" to those users manually. It looks like it is based on administrator's judgement, there seems to be no formal criteria, because everyone can get the permissions anyway. Do you think it would be helpful if there were a similar system in this wiki? --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 14:06, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

This comes up relatively often, and I do think the inability to upload images is a little confusing and off-putting for new users. So anything that reduces this effect is welcome. Is the consensus that that restriction of image uploads to autoconfirmed users is still necessary? --Tordanik 15:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
We can try changing settings - in the worst case we may switch back and making OSM Wiki more welcoming is a good idea. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good to me.--Jeisenbe (talk) 23:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the answers. I started a thread at Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/operations/issues/488 to get replies from the system administrators. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 17:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
And thanks to Tigerfell for making https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/pull/376 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
@Tigerfell: It is merged, thanks to all involved! Is it now fixed or is it necessary to do also something else? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
You are welcome. If someone needs account confirmation, they can approach any administrator or bureaucrat. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 16:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Resolved: seems to be no longer needed, I am planning to archive this section Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


Renaming "Abandoned" to "Archived" in proposal template

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:Proposal_Page#Rename_.22Abandoned.22_to_.22Archived.22 for discussion about this. Please comment only there to avoid fragmenting discussion, this is intended only as notification Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Bot policy

Is there any clear consensus or documented rules about running bots on this wiki? Especially about bots active only for some language? In my case potential bot would edit only on pl: pages Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

No, do not not think so. I wrote down some details and linked to a discussion at Bot#Wiki bots. I would say best practices include creating a separate bot account (so people can distinguish the bot and the owner) and documenting the bot's actions beforehand, but that is mainly a wish derived from Automated Edits code of conduct. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 22:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

2017 wikitext editor

Has anyone considered adding the 2017 wikitext editor extension? It is very nicely compatible with the visual editor and is great for new users who find the default source editor overwhelming. I'm currently using WikEd. Berrely (TC) 14:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Berrely: The 2017 wikitext editor is behind a beta flag, but you can't opt yourself into that beta unless BetaFeatures is installed. Fortunately, you can click the OOjs UI icon highlight.svg icon in the toolbar to enable the same syntax highlighting in the traditional textbox, just without dialogs for templates and such. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 09:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Implement floating column and row headings for long & wide tables to improve usability

I find that when I am reading a very long table with many columns I have to keep scrolling back to the top of the table to refresh my memory about the type of information contained in a column's cells. It would improve usability enormously if, once the column-heading row scrolled out of sight, this row would detach itself from the table and float within view. The same holds for very wide tables. As soon as the row headings scroll out of sight, the row-heading column would similarly float. hfinger (talk) 05:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Hedleyfinger: MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Sticky table headers implemented "sticky" headers for tables that specifically opt into them. Unfortunately, it's a bit specific to one of the larger tables on this wiki, but maybe it would also help for the table you have in mind. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 20:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Harmful edits at Tag:historic=aircraft

Could one of the admins have a look at historic=aircraft? Russian speaking user Sowa1980 is modifying it by copying (possibly machine translated) documentation from German and/or Russian translations, and is throwing away valid documentation in the process. Their edits have been reverted twice (by Ungoose and myself) and they are not responding on their talk-page. I think there may be a language barrier. Perhaps someone who speaks Russian can have a look? --JeroenHoek (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. Unfortunately, I do not speak Russian either. I think Yurik does. I added the page to my watchlist and I will monitor it. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 20:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I got a response on their talk-page, but it's in Russian. Google Translate suggests they are adding improvements in line with other historic=* tags, and that they doesn't see what's wrong with the edits. I'll leave the discussion to some proficient in Cyrillic writing though. :) --JeroenHoek (talk) 20:20, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
TBH, I am not exactly sure what they meant by their reply either. The reply in Russian somehow feels auto-translated as well, but could be due to other things. Assuming good faith, but may require some back-and-forth for mutual understanding. --Yurik (talk) 01:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Not "they", bust just only Sowa1880 :) He have made JOSM preset for historic technique and under this reason changes all associated wiki pages to the state that he personally considers correct. There was no any discussion about it in russian forum, Telegram channel or anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnakinNN (talkcontribs) 14:17, 23 March 2021
In this case, the word "they" is used when you do not know the gender or sex of a person. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 13:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much for explanation, I didn't know it before :( AnakinNN (talk) 19:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Seems solved? In general, to contribute to text of language OSM Wiki pages in some languages it is necessary to be able to communicate in this laguage. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Requesting ban for Sowa1980

During the last months user made vandal edits to several russian pages (I've reverted that ones, which I've noticed):

I'm native russian speaker, so I would like to explain the overall situation with this user. Sowa1980 is headache of all russian community :( He shows together after together by word and deed, that he doesn't recognize any local consesus, introduces his own tagging schemes (which are oftenly conflict with established ones - for example, he points in his diary, that "name" tag must be used for full official name of feature), principally creates multipolygons with one member (despite to recommedations in best pratices). And the worst - he reverts any edit of other mappers, who tries to bring data to recommended state (so they're being returned to "his" state). This actions are also accompanied by charging from him in "vandalism". This situation already have led to things, that other OSM members don't even try to edit anything in areas, which are being "watched" with Sowa1980 (currently these are regions of Tambov and Irkutsk).

He have already several bans from DWG (by mavl) for rudeness and controversial reverts (and eventually got ban in @ruosm channel in Telegram - main channel of russian OSM community).

Now he tries to single-handedly edit russian wiki pages to "legalize" his own mapping practices.

I am asking for a long-term or a permanent ban for Sowa1980.

AnakinNN (talk) 08:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

maybe put a message on user talk page ?
On the pages for which I know the language, the last modification made is indeed totally fanciful (start_date heavily used -> monument_date 0 use)
Marc marc (talk) 08:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Exactly - his changes do not describe current tagging practices, instead of this they are pushing without discussions his desired tagging practices. For example, edits of historic=aircraft page - old scheme separated construction of aircraft (aircraft=fixed_wing/helicopter/...) and role (aircraft:role=fighter/transport/...). And it would definitely be noticed in case of discussion. Instead of this we have "standartization for standartization". I've noticed this on his talk page, but, frankly speaking, I'm not sure if this will have an effect (based on the experience of previous communication with him in russian). AnakinNN (talk) 09:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I can confirm that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Pl:Tag:historic%3Dmemorial&diff=prev&oldid=2130744 was misleading and Polish used was gibberish below typical autotranslator level. Fortunately it was reverted already. Though official warning may be better than immediate ban? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
For the first time (before this moment Sowa1980 didn't get any warnings in wiki, that's true) - ok, it may be enough. But it should be clear official warning (not to be treated as personal opinion of one person) with strong reminder to the base: OSM is not his personal project, but community project. No one can just come and start to setup his personal rules for some tags/objects/territories/... without preliminary discussions and reaching consensus. I've also reverted russian-language pages for historic=* objects to avoid misleading of new members by undiscussed practices. AnakinNN (talk) 14:12, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Note that Sowa1980 made now bunch of completely unexplained reverts Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:48, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Mateusz! And also thank you for reverting these changes on russian pages. Yes, he just try to return all these pages back to his versions. Also please note, that Sowa1980 didn't answer to any of questions on his talk page - nor in english, nor in russian or any other language. Are you sure that warning only will be enough in this situation? AnakinNN (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Well... I tried something very similar and Wiki admins ended making no decision in either direction: neither banned nor refused to ban. At least that problem got smaller as RTFM reduced editing rate. So I mentioned a warning option partially to icrease chance that they will do anything at all this time. Still, I think that "this is a final warning, you are obligated to communicate in case of conflicts in way undestandable to others (English on English pages, Russian in ru: pages, Polish in pl: pages), reverts without explanation are unacceptable" should be done first Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:26, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Ok, got it. What is the next step of procedure? Should I request somebody from Wiki officials to make this comment or I can do it by myself? In the second case - how Sowa1980 will be sure that this is official warning, but not only my personal opinion about his actions? AnakinNN (talk) 11:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Addition. Sowa1980 again reverted wiki pages to his state, now with comments - "because start_date has no specifics, replaced by more accurate tag" (monument_date). It was his personal decision, no discussions. I've returned back with reason, that decision about "some (widely used) tag is wrong or inaccurate" should be made in community, not individually. It's unfortunate that it started to look like some kind of edit wars in history of that pages, but give up and allow user make any actions he wants - even worse. I've also made note both in English & Russian on discussion page that user sholudn't interpret OSM as his personal project and "Any tag you like" principle as green light to change existing tagging schemes in personal order.
JFYI: Today user got 4-days ban from DWG and during discussion in his diary mentioned, that "five people from ru-osm chat is not all ru-osm community and can't make decisions". Although questions were mostly not from mappers in Russia. It seems he does not consider necessary to dicuss any tagging questions with others. AnakinNN (talk) 19:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The final:

I suppose there's no need to do anything with this wiki account right now - there's a good chance that Sowa1980 will lose interest in any wiki editing because of impossibility to make any actions in OSM database in the next 10 years. But in case of repeated vandalism I think he should be banned immediately at least for the same duration. AnakinNN (talk) 21:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I actually forgot this request but today I remembered it again. As AnakinNN already wrote I do not see a need to block this user for the following reasons:
  1. I have given the user a warning (see talk page), and he replied to that. I think there should be a temporary block as an additional warning first.
  2. The controversial edits were aimed at justifying editing patterns in OpenStreetMap. The user is blocked there, he stopped editing the wiki, and there seems to be no motivation to continue here.
  3. Some of the issues listed above relate to OpenStreetMap itself. Blocks of wiki users and blocks of OpenStreetMap users are separate matters.
There was a conversation with DWG about the matter but it is solely my decision. I guess some people will not agree with me or say that this decision was made too late. The latter is definitely true, but as I said I forgot about it. When I looked at the request today again I wanted to finish it off and present the argumentation so you know that it did not ignore your posts. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 21:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

April Fools' Day

I don't find this kind of jokes funny at all. I consider it disrespectful to the work done by the wiki contributors. --Dcapillae (talk) 14:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree, obvious joke pages like intentionally absurd proposals are fine but vandalism with "April Fools" as justification is not. (reverted already, author was asked to avoid doing it) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 03:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
You reminded me of Tag:amenity=bikeshed. As I recall it, some people did not like the joke. Now the page has two warnings on its top. What do you think about a template "April fool" that displays a warning? It could even disappear on 1st April and re-appear on 2nd. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:38, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Seems a good idea to me Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Resolved: see Template:April fool --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Overinflated infobox

Is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hgv:national_network having super-wide infobox for anyone else or is it just me? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:15, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

For me too, on mobile Firefox. -- Chris2map (talk) 11:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
At first I thought there was a non-printable character somewhere, but blanking the page and pasting only:
{{KeyDescription
| key           = hgv:national network
| description   = test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test 
}}
does the same. So it's probably an issue with the data item.
I also once stumbled upon the data item issue here: DE:Tag:boundary=postal_code with "Bad item: Q16019=*".
So it's a data item issue or Jeisenbe used magic and put a spell on it :D. maro21 18:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Fixed in [3]. maro21 18:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Resolved: no idea what was going on but at least is fixed - thanks for help! Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Follow up vote on small improvement of the proposal process

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_process#Lets_reform_the_Proposal_process.21 --PangoSE (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

The link did not work for me. Same link again but using an internal link Talk:Proposal process#Lets reform the Proposal process!. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 18:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Providing an offline-version of the Wiki

Moved to Operations Github. --Kai M. Poppe (talk) 04:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Statistics

Resolved

Is there any place where I can find statistics on how many pages are in a particular language on Wiki? maro21 15:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Not exactly. It also depends on the mechanism to determine the language of a wiki page. There are currently two strategies. The first one uses the prefix the other one uses the page language setting at Special:PageInfo. You can list the pages with a specific prefix via Special:PrefixIndex. I have not found a mechanism to count pages using the language setting or special pages. There might be a way using the API. The language setting is mostly interesting for right-to-left (RTL) languages which would otherwise need some templates like Template:Fa. If you want to know how many pages there are with missing translations, you can use one of the subcategories of Category:Pages with missing translation. Hope this helps. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 09:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
So I created the statistics myself and created [[Wiki:Statistics]]. maro21 20:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Add Navbox GNSS to all pages, mentioned in it

I'm creating a navigation box for an wiki pages, connected with GNSS: User:Vazhnov_Alexey/Navbox_GNSS. I'm planing to add this navbox to all pages, mentioned in it (exception — if the page already have some navbox or special style for a page).

Any objections? Concerns? We can also discuss this in forum. --Vazhnov Alexey (talk) 23:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Resolved: Created here: Template:Navbox GNSS. Adding to pages. --Vazhnov Alexey (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Replace Simple image MediaWiki extension with MultiMaps extension

I would like to replace Simple Image extension with MultiMaps extension. Simple image extension is broken since at least 23 February 2020. Currently, the extension lacks a tile stitching service (Blacktocat.svg Firefishy/SimpleMap/issues/4). There were problems with the previous service provider as well (Blacktocat.svg fossgis/openstreetmap.de/issues/25 and Blacktocat.svg fossgis/openstreetmap.de/issues/36). Noone is willing to provide the service. I would like to finish of this outstanding issue and get to a positive solution.

As a result, I propose an automated edit using TigerfellBot. I wrote down the details at the user page. Are there any comments or concerns? --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 17:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

So you want to replace for example:
<map lat="51.485" lon="-0.15" z="11" w="300" h="200" format="jpeg" />
with
{{slippymap|lat= 51.485|lon = -0.15|width = 300|height = 200|zoom =11}}
? maro21 18:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Exactly. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 17:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
No concerns from me. --Chris2map (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Resolved: Automated edit finished, will continue reviewing in the next days, OWG already removed the extension. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 22:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)