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Note: This page is only for discussing the text on, and layout of the wiki Main Page itself. For main discussion venue for the wiki itself see Talk:Wiki. It is not the right place to discuss broader issues or ideas about how to improve the wiki (for that see WikiProject Cleanup) or to ask general questions (try other Contact channels).


Discuss BEFORE adding things

Obviously the Main Page is important. It has a significant role to play in shaping people's view of the project. The design of the page needs to reflect the correct weight of importance of pages being linked to (and not link to pages which are not important) There's nothing new or mysterious about this.

What it means though, is that we can't be having people slapping their ideas on here willy-nilly. For the most part we've been quite good about this over the past year or so (since we had a nice redesign of the homepage) but there's been a couple of, shall we say, 'under-developed' wiki ideas appearing as prominent links lately. So from now on the rule is simple...

Do not add/change things on the Main Page without discussing on this talk page first (and preferably leaving the discussion open for a while before applying a change). Edit's of the Main Page in violation of this rule, should be reverted.

Note that discussing your idea does not make your idea immune from being removed! It just means it is not in violation of this rule. It might still be deemed inappropriate for the Main Page.

I'm hoping that this will be universally accepted as common sense. If someone wants to argue about it, then I might have to write a "Wiki Policy". Don't make me do it! I will you know!

-- Harry Wood 16:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I understand the issue and respect it, but I completely missed this remark when editing my undiscussed change. On a closer look I found out that there is a comment in source of the Main page. My suggestion would be to make the comment as large as the editing page so you cannot miss it -- User: Altijd Verdwaald Sept 3, 2009
OK I've made that comment a bit more prominent -- Harry Wood 17:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I've also added a similar comment to Template:Portals because people have been sneaking new links onto that template. May need to do the same for all the other included templates. -- Harry Wood 11:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Stats

I think the biggest casualty of this change is that interesting information about project has gone missing. Daily stats and other stat graphics have no access point. I finally found the user stats link on a German language page. I would think that stats would be an important use case. At least that's what inspired me as a young mapper. (Dr Kludge) 25 Aug 2014

I would say that https://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html is not something worth linking from main OSM Wiki page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:26, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

'No-knowledge rule'

I've just made a couple of minor changes to the Main Page without discussion, before I saw Harry Wood's flag at the top of this page saying no changes unless discussed. But ploughing on...

As a relatively new mapper (and a teacher), I feel a lot of OSM material, most noticably the wiki, is inadvertently written for insiders using in-group jargon. That creates barriers for newcomers, and tends to make for a closed and inward-looking community.

So especially on the Main Page, I'd suggest a 'no-knowledge rule' - everything should be intelligible to someone with no knowlege of OSM.

That means rather than a post about DWG, we would spell it out as the Data Working Group, with a link to their page on the wiki. (I'm not even sure that OSM shouldn't be avoided as an in-group acronym, but didn't attempt to change that.) Eteb3 (talk) 21:38, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I support this, but the correct place for discussing general wiki issues in the wiki is Talk:Wiki. ;-) --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 17:14, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the support and for the info: I wasn't aware of that page. That said, my point was about the Main Page most especially: as the first contact many people will have with the wiki/with OSM, I think it's especially important. The wiki in general is a bigger ask for another day. :-) Eteb3 (talk) 22:08, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Rendering on mobile device / smartphone

Currently the main page is not really readable on a mobile device because the tables ("Use Openstreetmap" / "Contribute free map data" / "Software Development") and ("Image of the week" / "Event Calendar") are too broad. Would it be possible to rearrange the layout on smaller screens? For example, the "Contribute free map data" could be below "Use Openstreetmap" etc. --Westnordost (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Agree it's pretty bad at the moment. I believe it should be possible by replacing the tables with more responsive custom CSS. --Tordanik 11:13, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
@Westnordost Would you mind creating a draft of an improved version? You could use Main Page/test. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 22:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh sorry, I missed your message, @Tigerfell. Sorry, probably not. I am not experienced in wiki editing. Even if it was HTML, I wouldn't know exactly how to CSS it to be responsive. So I can probably not help there --Westnordost (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

"Image of the week" is broken

I don't know how to fix it, just reporting a bug: the "Image of the week" box displays red text "Template:Iotw image/2020-17" instead of an image. Intgr (talk) 15:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no image of the week yet. You can propose one at Featured image proposals. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 09:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
You're saying that it's normal for the main page to look broken? It leaves the impression of a website that's in decay.
If that slot can't be filled, maybe it should be removed entirely. Intgr (talk) 09:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree. A broken image on the main page really sucks. The fact that there aren't more people noticing it and complaining about it, or helping with featured images in order to fix it, is a strong indication to me that it's time to retire featured images completely. I say this as the person who's been organising the featured images for a long time.
I've always tried to avoid broken images on the main page. For long time we've struggled to get an image lined up in time and had a broken image on the Monday morning for a short while (as the weekly template rolls over). I hoped the occasional visibile failure might motivate more people to help proposing images. However recently (since May) I have been leaving it broken permanently in order to see if anyone else wants to fix it. The conclusion of that experiment is clear. More details here: Talk:Featured image proposals#The death of OpenStreetMap featured images?.
So yes, we need to remove that section from the Main Page. I will just remove that template, and the one below ("news") will shift upwards on the page slightly.
-- Harry Wood (talk) 08:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
It's better no image than a broken image, of course. Anyway, thanks to @Harry Wood for his effort to update the images every Monday. I used to follow the updates to translate the descriptions. Sometimes, I discovered things about OSM that I didn't know because of the images Harry published every week. Thank you sincerely! --Dcapillae (talk) 21:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Resolved: resolved by removing featured images - thanks to Harry Wood for all the work on featuring images for so long time! Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

La Cartographie du Sénégal

Bonjour a tous je m'appelle Alpha Amadou DIALLO, je suis géomaticien, formateur et contributeur d'OpenStreetMap. Nous rencontrons des problèmes au Sénégal sur le manque de moyens matériels et financiers afin de pouvoir organiser a chaque fois des activités sur l'utilisation des données Open Source car les activités se font rarement par faute de moyens. N’hésitez pas si vous avez des corrections a faire car c'est une première d'apporter des modifications sur une page wiki.

Resolved: not about OSM main page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

vec vèneto

Good evening, I am an admin of vec.wiki and I wanted to start contributing to openstreetmap in my language. However, I have not been able to find where it is possible to translate the cities into my language .. the Vèneto (Venetian)! Thank you in advance for your kind reply! --Fierodelveneto (talk) 18:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome! If you would like to tag the names of map features, such as towns in Italy, with their proper name in Vèneto, the tag to use would be name:vec=* - this tag has already been used >600 times: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name%3Avec. It's also possible to use other Name tags in this format, such as official_name:vec=* for places which have a longer official name: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/official_name%3Avec.
If you would like to translate pages in this Wiki into the Vèneto language, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_Translation and start creating pages with the prefix "Vec:", like Vec:Main_Page or Vec:Tag:highway=footway. Have fun! --Jeisenbe (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Resolved: seems resolvedMateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Reverted spam edition

Hi. I have reverted this edition (spam). Maybe we should also block the account that made it.--Dcapillae (talk) 10:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

More up-to-date news?

As of writing the "News" section of the main page has its last entry dated 3 Aug 2019 - more than 12 months ago. I feel this should be kept much more up to date, especially on the wiki landing page. Coolmule0 (talk)

If you have any specific text that can/should be added then it is likely that it will be used Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 01:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
I proposed in the relevant template talk that we cross-post from the OSMF blog. Template_talk:News. RicoElectrico (talk) 01:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposal - remove news

We have 0 entries from 2020, it would be better to have no such section Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it would be nicer to have it updated rather than removed. But I am not volunteering for that specific Wiki activity Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)